Glasner Out

[Paul Salvage]

I reckon on Thursday - if we haven't scored with our chosen starting formation by about 70 minutes into the game you will see both JP & JSL on the pitch at the same time.

We may well see both players on the pitch at the same time, but he is as likely to play them in the wing back roll so as not to have to change his formation

 

[CrazyBadger]

JSL cost 48m and is obviously our main striker now. Is Glasner under instruction to put Mateta in the shop window? He openly wanted to leave and indeed was on the verge of a move. Why is he getting game time? This season he's been absolute s*** and hopefully will be gone in summer.

No. he threw JPM on as we hadn't yet scored vs 10 men. A futile gesture, as the correct change would have been to change the system in order to supply JSL (or JPM) with chances. Neither can score without supply, as neither are players who can create something from nothing.

 

[park the bus]

No. he threw JPM on as we hadn't yet scored vs 10 men. A futile gesture, as the correct change would have been to change the system in order to supply JSL (or JPM) with chances. Neither can score without supply, as neither are players who can create something from nothing.

Agree, I did say JSL needs the ball played into him. Strikers get a lot of flak, rightly so when they continuously miss good chances, but more often than not it's a non existent supply line that is the problem. In this case it is Glasner's template which doesn't work anymore. He doesn't have the players to make it work as previously but shoehorns them into the template nevertheless.
Rigid? Stubborn? Can't admit he's hasn't got anything else? All of these.

 

[palace99]

I never for a moment considered that Glasner would pair Mateta with JSL.
I adjudged correctly,for once, that Mateta would replace JSL.

hardly mystic Meg - we all knew it would be a like for like swap, however, we all HOPED he might put 2 up front and have a go in the last 20 minutes.

 

[ASCPFC]

There's nothing any of us can do is there? I'm not happy about it. Pretty sure the majority aren't happy about it. But we have to like it or lump it as my old mum used to say. From the attendances and atmosphere recently, looks like some are lumping it. They'll be back.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Agree, I did say JSL needs the ball played into him. Strikers get a lot of flak, rightly so when they continuously miss good chances, but more often than not it's a non existent supply line that is the problem. In this case it is Glasner's template which doesn't work anymore. He doesn't have the players to make it work as previously but shoehorns them into the template nevertheless.
Rigid? Stubborn? Can't admit he's hasn't got anything else? All of these.

What's odd to me is that pre xmas - JPM was getting service, he must've been or he wouldn't have been castigated so much for missing so many chances ! 🤣
What's changed? can't just be Guehi and his forward thinking.. not having that!

 

[Frickin Saweet]

Oliver Glasner's SPIKY response when asked about a lack of entertaining football at Crystal Palace!

Palace boss Oliver Glasner gets spiky with a reporter during a news conference after their goalless draw to Leeds United.

www.skysports.com

I did have a chuckle at this yesterday. I feel like earlier in his tenure, he would have address the question with an explanation of how we're trying to score more goals and what we're working on and that our lack of goals against 10-man teams/lesser teams is a priority. However he really clammed up and I think deflected attention away from it with some stats of his own. He's obviously feeling the pressure, and this probably (for me) shows he really has taken us as far as he could, insofar as he doesn't have any idea of how to solve the low block/attacking threat problem

 

[Hannes]

There's nothing any of us can do is there? I'm not happy about it. Pretty sure the majority aren't happy about it. But we have to like it or lump it as my old mum used to say. From the attendances and atmosphere recently, looks like some are lumping it. They'll be back.

Exactly! Some comments remind me of how, on certain mornings when I woke up, I promised myself I'd never touch alcohol again, or how, after certain days in the office, I swore that those idiots would never see me again only to show up next morning.

 

[SurbsEagle]

Excellent analysis.

Where I disagree is the assertion that ‘it would be ridiculous’ to change the formation at this stage of the season.

Manchester United and Leeds have both shown significant improvement since changing their formations during the season to suit their available resources.
It can be done.

Our system worked well by and large with Guehi, Eze, a fit and firing Mateta and a fit and available Munoz.
Take those components out and it doesn’t work.
You end up with compromises e.g Devenny, Clyne, Sosa or Johnson as RWB which clearly does not work.
Nketiah, Devenny, Kamada and Pino have been tried in the Eze role and again it doesn’t work.
It’s not just they don’t have Eze’s quality, they look ill at ease in the position.
Furthermore, it’s becoming more evident each game that Larsen is a very different proposition to Mateta.
He doesn’t have Mateta’s physical presence or power to hold up the play and bring others into the game, which was key to Glasner’s system working.
Larsen needs early delivery (which he’s not getting) in order to demonstrate his finishing prowess.

Can anybody seriously claim that Glasner’s system is getting the best out of the available players?
I would contend that it does not suit the majority of the squad and results and performances in the last few months have demonstrated that.

Yeah I agree with the points that you've made. It feels to me like the board has bought for the next manager, as opposed to investing in Glasner's squad and system - which might be why it's all disjointed at the moment.

The change in formation discussion - Glasner is very precise in terms of patterns of play and defensive cover for his system to work. When we don't have the ball, the entire team is built to cluster the midfield and force the opposition out wide. Playing 3 at the back gives sufficient cover when it comes to defending crosses and balls into the box as we cover a larger area of the penalty area, providing more bodies. Defensively, we are fantastic. We don't concede a lot of goals and we're also not losing many games.

The problem is when we have the ball and all the issues you raised come to fruition. If you're a manager who's last chance to give Palace something is a cup competition then not losing games is the highest priority. Unfortunate for us fans but if we want the cup glory, then I'm afraid the current system is probably the best one for us - even if we are all asleep by the time we get to Leipzig!

 

[Willo]

Someone's been reading the HOL.

Crystal Palace are a chore to watch - and Oliver Glasner just doesn't get it

Glasner's frosty response to questions over his attackers should ring alarm bells

inews.co.uk

HOL as an external audience far removed from those,unlike 'Yours Truly', who 'Grace' this cherished site on a regular basis with their scalpel-sharp intellect, wisdom and sagacity.
😉

 

[elgin eeagle]

Excellent analysis.

Where I disagree is the assertion that ‘it would be ridiculous’ to change the formation at this stage of the season.

Manchester United and Leeds have both shown significant improvement since changing their formations during the season to suit their available resources.
It can be done.

Our system worked well by and large with Guehi, Eze, a fit and firing Mateta and a fit and available Munoz.
Take those components out and it doesn’t work.
You end up with compromises e.g Devenny, Clyne, Sosa or Johnson as RWB which clearly does not work.
Nketiah, Devenny, Kamada and Pino have been tried in the Eze role and again it doesn’t work.
It’s not just they don’t have Eze’s quality, they look ill at ease in the position.
Furthermore, it’s becoming more evident each game that Larsen is a very different proposition to Mateta.
He doesn’t have Mateta’s physical presence or power to hold up the play and bring others into the game, which was key to Glasner’s system working.
Larsen needs early delivery (which he’s not getting) in order to demonstrate his finishing prowess.

Can anybody seriously claim that Glasner’s system is getting the best out of the available players?
I would contend that it does not suit the majority of the squad and results and performances in the last few months have demonstrated that.

The Man U comparison is an excellent one. Neither Amorim, Glasner or anyone can succeed with the formation if the right players for it are unavailable or have left the club.

In that situation you must find one that suits most of the ones you have or that you think will impact worse on the opposition. Not keep grinding on hoping something will miraculously change. Mitchell is never going to stop turning back towards his goal and Eze has left for Arsenal. Surely you play Johnson off Strand Larsen with Sarr right of them. I'd imagine the current bollocks is as frustrating for the players as it is for the fans.

 

[pssguy]

This just confirms how turgid the league games have been. Of course, cup games have been even worse. The total of 32 Open Play goals combined for and against is a staggering 12 less than the next fewest, Sunderland and Forest

 

[silvertop]

I watch the Bundesliga highlights every week, they show the team’s formations at the start of each game. 90% of teams at home play three at the back and it seems the away sides setup with four at the back. It does seem strange that OG rarely plays four at the back especially away.

But away we get much joy

It is home where I want to see improvement.

12 months ago we were unstoppable and brilliant to watch.

Now we are very mid table and drying paint.

I am very disappointed.

 

[Nicholas91]

But away we get much joy

It is home where I want to see improvement.

12 months ago we were unstoppable and brilliant to watch.

Now we are very mid table and drying paint.

I am very disappointed.

Yep, 100%

 

[est1905]

What's odd to me is that pre xmas - JPM was getting service, he must've been or he wouldn't have been castigated so much for missing so many chances ! 🤣
What's changed? can't just be Guehi and his forward thinking.. not having that!

There are a few reasons the chances have dried up. One reason is for a while Wharton was off form but against Spurs he was back to his best. Another reason is Daniel has not been the same since his injury. Not this shoulder injury but the previous one. His high energy up and down the flanks is gone. His crosses are not as regular either. You could say the same of Mitchell who is not the attacking threat that Daniel is but Tyrick's forward play is not what it was in the first half of the season.
Kamada is a headless chicken, Pino is without doubt very talented but small and gets shoved off the ball frequently. Brennan Johnson is so far not working out although I dont believe a quality player becomes a bad one over night. I'm optimistic he'll come good.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There are a few reasons the chances have dried up. One reason is for a while Wharton was off form but against Spurs he was back to his best. Another reason is Daniel has not been the same since his injury. Not this shoulder injury but the previous one. His high energy up and down the flanks is gone. His crosses are not as regular either. You could say the same of Mitchell who is not the attacking threat that Daniel is but Tyrick's forward play is not what it was in the first half of the season.
Kamada is a headless chicken, Pino is without doubt very talented but small and gets shoved off the ball frequently. Brennan Johnson is so far not working out although I dont believe a quality player becomes a bad one over night. I'm optimistic he'll come good.

Johnson is an enigma. He's averaged a goal every 4 games through his career so, as you say, we can hope he rediscovers his scoring touch. At the moment he just looks lost.