Farage says he's 'never directly racially abused anybody' after school racism claims

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not sure how old you are but the poll tax would not have been destroyed without rioting. Council tax, which we all loath, is a watered down version, albeit much much fairer.

Council tax is nothing like the community charge. It is levied on property. The community charge is levied on individuals.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The new Mayor of New York apparently said some controversial things when he was 21. On the BBS they have excused this as student politics.

Of course the same people want to string Farage up for what he may have said when he was a schoolboy.

LOL

Except, of course, we can all say controversial things. Many of us at every stage of our lives.

Whilst few of us use outright racist abuse to humiliate and insult, even as students.

 

[Spindle]

The community charge was a much misunderstood change to the way local services were to be paid for. It ensured those who use them, paid for them. Which isn’t much just much fairer it also encourages democracy as when people have to pay their interest in how they are delivered is greater.

I wasn’t Thatcher’s greatest fan but I agreed with her 100% over this. The protests that forced its withdrawal were disgraceful. There was no need for them. The vulnerable and low waged were protected by having the charge refunded.

If there ever was evidence that you are just a troll it's this. The most universally hated tax in history precisely because of how it gave no shits about affordability and you are claiming that it was good.

Get stuffed.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Except, of course, we can all say controversial things. Many of us at every stage of our lives.

Whilst few of us use outright racist abuse to humiliate and insult, even as students.

And how fortunate that some have the foresight not to say anything that might be unacceptable fifty years later. What he may have said might have been unpleasant but it wasn't uncommon in the Seventies.
Why is that everybody has to accept change going forward but so many are incapable of understanding that changes of mentality have to be made to understand the past?
In a few decades time many of the posts on here, regardless of the originator, will no doubt appal others.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Except, of course, we can all say controversial things. Many of us at every stage of our lives.

Whilst few of us use outright racist abuse to humiliate and insult, even as students.

Interesting comment.
Justin Trudeau ‘blacks up’ but somehow this was okay.
That dual nationality Egyptian bloke that Starmer has just heaped praise on, calls for the killing of people; that’s okay.
The Dartford Labour councillor calls for the cutting of throats in front of a thousand people; that’s okay.
Farage makes a hissing noise 5 decades ago and we are meant to metaphorically drag him to the gallows.
As a great man once said: let those without sin cast the first stone…

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

If there ever was evidence that you are just a troll it's this. The most universally hated tax in history precisely because of how it gave no shits about affordability and you are claiming that it was good.

Get stuffed.

That’s precisely why I said it was misunderstood. There were comprehensive protections about affordability built in. The system then, as now, is grossly unfair, as it loads local costs onto home owners or renters and not the users of services.

Have multiple people living in a single home and they only pay a fraction of what others do.

It must change. People must pay for what they use.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Interesting comment.
Justin Trudeau ‘blacks up’ but somehow this was okay.
That dual nationality Egyptian bloke that Starmer has just heaped praise on, calls for the killing of people; that’s okay.
The Dartford Labour councillor calls for the cutting of throats in front of a thousand people; that’s okay.
Farage makes a hissing noise 5 decades ago and we are meant to metaphorically drag him to the gallows.
As a great man once said: let those without sin cast the first stone…

It’s you saying they are OK!

Each one ought to be judged on its merit AND whether the person involved is running for high office.

 

[mezzer]

Interesting comment.
Justin Trudeau ‘blacks up’ but somehow this was okay.
That dual nationality Egyptian bloke that Starmer has just heaped praise on, calls for the killing of people; that’s okay.
The Dartford Labour councillor calls for the cutting of throats in front of a thousand people; that’s okay.
Farage makes a hissing noise 5 decades ago and we are meant to metaphorically drag him to the gallows.
As a great man once said: let those without sin cast the first stone…

And when a pebble hit him on the side of the head He said, "Oh Mother. How could you....."

 

[Common Sense Club]

It’s you saying they are OK!

Each one ought to be judged on its merit AND whether the person involved is running for high office.

I am merely stating that it appears to be okay because the vitriol from our elites seemed to be missing except when Farage said something 50 years ago.
Interesting again that somebody running for office should be pilloried but someone already in office (Trudeau) is exempted.
Those that constantly look backwards are likely to trip over whilst attempting to move forwards. It is fifty years ago; get over it!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And how fortunate that some have the foresight not to say anything that might be unacceptable fifty years later. What he may have said might have been unpleasant but it wasn't uncommon in the Seventies.
Why is that everybody has to accept change going forward but so many are incapable of understanding that changes of mentality have to be made to understand the past?
In a few decades time many of the posts on here, regardless of the originator, will no doubt appal others.

I think you, and others, are missing the point.

No one would disagree that most of us did and said things as teenagers that we either now regret or time shows in a different light. Not all of us though aspire to become Prime Minister or behaved in quite the way Farage is alleged to have done. That behaviour being unacceptable even then.

However that’s not the most important point. It’s the way he has responded to the allegations that is of most concern. He hasn’t tried to distance himself from them and reassure that his past errors were just schoolboy pranks. It leaves the impression that the underlying attitude is still there. Something he confirms on occasions with other things he says, or doesn’t say.

I know he needs to keep a core group of resolutely racist supporters onside but he risks alienating a much larger group who aren’t.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I think you, and others, are missing the point.

No one would disagree that most of us did and said things as teenagers that we either now regret or time shows in a different light. Not all of us though aspire to become Prime Minister or behaved in quite the way Farage is alleged to have done. That behaviour being unacceptable even then.

However that’s not the most important point. It’s the way he has responded to the allegations that is of most concern. He hasn’t tried to distance himself from them and reassure that his past errors were just schoolboy pranks. It leaves the impression that the underlying attitude is still there. Something he confirms on occasions with other things he says, or doesn’t say.

I know he needs to keep a core group of resolutely racist supporters onside but he risks alienating a much larger group who aren’t.

He will probably comment on them when Starmer comments on the reasons for his super injunction…

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I am merely stating that it appears to be okay because the vitriol from our elites seemed to be missing except when Farage said something 50 years ago.
Interesting again that somebody running for office should be pilloried but someone already in office (Trudeau) is exempted.
Those that constantly look backwards are likely to trip over whilst attempting to move forwards. It is fifty years ago; get over it!

Trudeau isn’t in office. Nor was he exempted when he was. He was pilloried for something that now looks disrespectful but wasn’t in the same category as the things Farage is accused of.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Trudeau isn’t in office. Nor was he exempted when he was. He was pilloried for something that now looks disrespectful but wasn’t in the same category as the things Farage is accused of.

Trudeau was in office when the incident came to light, not after. He was not pilloried by the people who are pillorying Farage; hence double standards.
I disagree that Farage’s alleged comments are worse than the actual visual proof of what Trudeau did. You will doubtless disagree but ‘ a picture is worth a thousand words’.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He will probably comment on them when Starmer comments on the reasons for his super injunction…

Farage could apply for a super injunction if he wanted to. Presumably he hasn’t because he knows it wouldn’t be granted. If it had been we would not know anything.

Whether one exists for Starmer, or anyone else, is merely conjecture. That’s their point. They only exist to protect individuals from the exposure of information that could be harmful to them or the country. Even the existence of one cannot be disclosed.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Trudeau was in office when the incident came to light, not after. He was not pilloried by the people who are pillorying Farage; hence double standards.
I disagree that Farage’s alleged comments are worse than the actual visual proof of what Trudeau did. You will doubtless disagree but ‘ a picture is worth a thousand words’.

I know he was in office!

Putting on make up for a party, or for an entertainment event, does not come close to directly racially abusing people.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Farage could apply for a super injunction if he wanted to. Presumably he hasn’t because he knows it wouldn’t be granted. If it had been we would not know anything.

Whether one exists for Starmer, or anyone else, is merely conjecture. That’s their point. They only exist to protect individuals from the exposure of information that could be harmful to them or the country. Even the existence of one cannot be disclosed.

Perhaps, like me, he thinks the whole concept of a super injunction is a ludicrous tool used by the weak minded to protect their image. The old D notice was used to prevent governmental secrets from being known and is understandable; super injunctions not so much.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I know he was in office!

Putting on make up for a party, or for an entertainment event, does not come close to directly racially abusing people.

Taking the piss is offensive and is therefore as serious, as somebody could take offence to it. As I said, there is proof of what Trudeau did.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I think you, and others, are missing the point.

No one would disagree that most of us did and said things as teenagers that we either now regret or time shows in a different light. Not all of us though aspire to become Prime Minister or behaved in quite the way Farage is alleged to have done. That behaviour being unacceptable even then.

However that’s not the most important point. It’s the way he has responded to the allegations that is of most concern. He hasn’t tried to distance himself from them and reassure that his past errors were just schoolboy pranks. It leaves the impression that the underlying attitude is still there. Something he confirms on occasions with other things he says, or doesn’t say.

I know he needs to keep a core group of resolutely racist supporters onside but he risks alienating a much larger group who aren’t.

Absurd. By this reasoning no one would say anything just in case the subject is considered more offensive in the future when they might become Prime Minister. Those attitudes were, as has been pointed out many times, far more readily expressed back then - even to the extent of being the subject of TV sitcoms.
He has distanced himself by saying it didn't happen.
As stated change is inevitable so accept changes in the past as well.

 

[steeleye20]

Brexit, Farage, and the Epstein files.

Had to happen, didn't it?

Happy New Year brexiteers.

😎

 

[georgenorman]

Brexit, Farage, and the Epstein files.

Had to happen, didn't it?

Happy New Year brexiteers.

😎

You posting more bollox you mean?