EZE

[Nicholas91]

Agreed. I’ve seen many games when Wilf kept a poor Palace side in it. And Palace in the Premier League. He often had to function pretty much as the only attacking threat. Eze has had a much more balance side around him for much although not all of his time. Anyway both great players.

Agree.

Eze is very much an 'icing on the cake' player for me, whereas Wilf was often about 2/3 of the cake as well as the icing.

 

[Palacesince64]

Agreed. I’ve seen many games when Wilf kept a poor Palace side in it. And Palace in the Premier League. He often had to function pretty much as the only attacking threat. Eze has had a much more balance side around him for much although not all of his time. Anyway both great players.

Agreed. There were times during Wilf’s last year or so when he should have been benched but wasn’t due to the lack of alternatives capable of scoring the one goal Roy needed. We have more options now and a manager who won’t be afraid to drop Eze if he’s not delivering.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Agreed. There were times during Wilf’s last year or so when he should have been benched but wasn’t due to the lack of alternatives capable of scoring the one goal Roy needed. We have more options now and a manager who won’t be afraid to drop Eze if he’s not delivering.

Vieira?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

It's a very surface-level comparison that lacks any real context - on the whole they played in very different Palace sides; we scored 57 goals in the league last season, which is a lot more than we tended to get under Hodgson... in 19/20 we scored 31 league goals in total.

How many of Eze's goals and assists are from set-pieces?
How many penalties did Wilf win in his career? None of those count as assists.

It's a pointless comparison without context.

Rubbish, how many Penalties did Wilf score, before he couldn't score any, you generally find that the players with better statistics are better players than those with poorer stats are worse, funny that, or maybe think it is the other way round, i wait patiently For NEILLO to agree with you

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Rubbish, how many Penalties did Wilf score, before he couldn't score any, you generally find that the players with better statistics are better players than those with poorer stats are worse, funny that, or maybe think it is the other way round, i wait patiently For NEILLO to agree with you

Wilf scored 7 penalties in his Prem career.

Statistics without context are meaningless.

Set-piece takers have more avenues to score and assist.

Winning a penalty does not count as a registered assist, but a 2-yard pass might - it's an inherently flawed measure.

An attacking player playing in an team who score 57 goals in a season is almost certainly going to end up with more goal involvements than a player in a team who score 31.

These are all facts.

 

[MrRobbo]

Really not sure why this has descended into slagging Wilf off.

He wasn't perfect, but was insanely talented and gave his all for this club. God know where we'd be without him.

Eze oozes class, but he's been disappointing this season. He's starting to look a little better however, so hopefully he can finish the season off strong. And with a fit Warton, Esse and maybe even Franca we have a exciting looking squad!

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Really not sure why this has descended into slagging Wilf off.

He wasn't perfect, but was insanely talented and gave his all for this club. God know where we'd be without him.

Eze oozes class, but he's been disappointing this season. He's starting to look a little better however, so hopefully he can finish the season off strong. And with a fit Warton, Esse and maybe even Franca we have a exciting looking squad!

I know, especially Lanzo, saying he’s selfish me me me etc and he never tracked back, then next minute says he’s the GOAT!! 🤪

 

[NEILLO]

Rubbish, how many Penalties did Wilf score, before he couldn't score any, you generally find that the players with better statistics are better players than those with poorer stats are worse, funny that, or maybe think it is the other way round, i wait patiently For NEILLO to agree with you

I'll put you out of your misery then.

Here's my take - yes, I agree with CPFCSaturn because he's talking sense. Not a concept that you are familiar with.

Comparing Wilf and Ebs is a largely futile exercise. Different kind of player, different personalties, and from different Palace teams.

You can quote any stats that you choose to make your argument stand up, but here's the thing - when looking at player data far more detail is looked at than just the skeleton details you quote - ie. they don't tell the whole story.

Forgetting stats and data, I know what I've seen with my own eyes in the last 11/12 years of Premier League football at Palace. Zaha carried the team that he played in for many a season. You probably didn't bother reading the quotes from Unai Emery that I posted earlier in this thread but they represent what I saw from Wilf on more than one occasion. Ebs, barely at all. And that's fine because he offers something different. All I want is to see him back to the level we all know he's capable of.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I'll put you out of your misery then.

Here's my take - yes, I agree with CPFCSaturn because he's talking sense. Not a concept that you are familiar with.

Comparing Wilf and Ebs is a largely futile exercise. Different kind of player, different personalties, and from different Palace teams.

You can quote any stats that you choose to make your argument stand up, but here's the thing - when looking at player data far more detail is looked at than just the skeleton details you quote - ie. they don't tell the whole story.

Forgetting stats and data, I know what I've seen with my own eyes in the last 11/12 years of Premier League football at Palace. Zaha carried the team that he played in for many a season. You probably didn't bother reading the quotes from Unai Emery that I posted earlier in this thread but they represent what I saw from Wilf on more than one occasion. Ebs, barely at all. And that's fine because he offers something different. All I want is to see him back to the level we all know he's capable of.

Of course i know what Unai said, and on his day he was unplayable, but as the stats say he had many poor games, as has Eze, et al, i am disappointed that Eze doesn't have the internal drive that Olise has to take him further, but like many others, LeTissier, Currie, Bowles, Hudson, Worthington etc, that part is missing, perhaps its his religious upbringing, i don't know, but i would rather have him and all the other players i mentioned in the team than not in it.

 

[pssguy]

The time to start comparing Eze to Zaha is when he gets a mural

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

The time to start comparing Eze to Zaha is when he gets a mural

The thing IMO opinion that stopped him progressing was he liked to be the big fish in a small pond, that doesn't make him wrong, all people have different outlooks and ambitions

 

[rikz]

I'll put you out of your misery then.

Here's my take - yes, I agree with CPFCSaturn because he's talking sense. Not a concept that you are familiar with.

Comparing Wilf and Ebs is a largely futile exercise. Different kind of player, different personalties, and from different Palace teams.

You can quote any stats that you choose to make your argument stand up, but here's the thing - when looking at player data far more detail is looked at than just the skeleton details you quote - ie. they don't tell the whole story.

Forgetting stats and data, I know what I've seen with my own eyes in the last 11/12 years of Premier League football at Palace. Zaha carried the team that he played in for many a season. You probably didn't bother reading the quotes from Unai Emery that I posted earlier in this thread but they represent what I saw from Wilf on more than one occasion. Ebs, barely at all. And that's fine because he offers something different. All I want is to see him back to the level we all know he's capable of.

Exactly this. During his time in the Premier League, alongside Vardy he was the most influential player outside the top 6.

 

[est1905]

I'll put you out of your misery then.

Here's my take - yes, I agree with CPFCSaturn because he's talking sense. Not a concept that you are familiar with.

Comparing Wilf and Ebs is a largely futile exercise. Different kind of player, different personalties, and from different Palace teams.

You can quote any stats that you choose to make your argument stand up, but here's the thing - when looking at player data far more detail is looked at than just the skeleton details you quote - ie. they don't tell the whole story.

Forgetting stats and data, I know what I've seen with my own eyes in the last 11/12 years of Premier League football at Palace. Zaha carried the team that he played in for many a season. You probably didn't bother reading the quotes from Unai Emery that I posted earlier in this thread but they represent what I saw from Wilf on more than one occasion. Ebs, barely at all. And that's fine because he offers something different. All I want is to see him back to the level we all know he's capable of.

Yes to be fair I cannot remember a single game where Eze has grabbed the match by the srcuff of the neck and won it for us with a stand out head and shoulders above everyone else performance. With Zaha there were loads. Remember that Chelsea game? I'm sure we went a goal down but it ended 1-2. The accurate score should have read Chelsea 1 Zaha 2

 

[est1905]

Of course i know what Unai said, and on his day he was unplayable, but as the stats say he had many poor games, as has Eze, et al, i am disappointed that Eze doesn't have the internal drive that Olise has to take him further, but like many others, LeTissier, Currie, Bowles, Hudson, Worthington etc, that part is missing, perhaps its his religious upbringing, i don't know, but i would rather have him and all the other players i mentioned in the team than not in it.

The stats dont 'say' he had many poor games. You are just choosing to see what you want to see. As someone else said the thing about stats is they can be twisted to make it look how you want it to look. Personally the only stat I've ever cared about is how many goals we have at the end compared to the other team.
On the other highlighted point, WTF? Is this some moronic attempt to be controversial? I could list dozens of World class elite sportsmen that had religious upbringings. Their faith was probably a huge help to them during their careers. Would you say Marc Guehi's religious background is a help or a hindrance in him becoming one of the worlds most sought after centre halves? Thats a rhetorical question. In reality I have no interest in your opinion.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

The stats dont 'say' he had many poor games. You are just choosing to see what you want to see. As someone else said the thing about stats is they can be twisted to make it look how you want it to look. Personally the only stat I've ever cared about is how many goals we have at the end compared to the other team.
On the other highlighted point, WTF? Is this some moronic attempt to be controversial? I could list dozens of World class elite sportsmen that had religious upbringings. Their faith was probably a huge help to them during their careers. Would you say Marc Guehi's religious background is a help or a hindrance in him becoming one of the worlds most sought after centre halves? Thats a rhetorical question. In reality I have no interest in your opinion.

If you had read it properly, i said i don't now, but he hasn't got drive, i am an Atheist, so i don't know, as for Guehi we will see what happens with his choice of club. take a chill pill, maybe i seasonal effective disorder

 

[est1905]

If you had read it properly, i said i don't now, but he hasn't got drive, i am an Atheist, so i don't know, as for Guehi we will see what happens with his choice of club. take a chill pill, maybe i seasonal effective disorder

People neither care that Eze has come from a religious background nor would I imagine that anyone cares that you see yourself as an Atheist. None of it is relevant. So why bring it up? Probably for the reason already suggested. You seem to have a need for people to respond to your posts and therefore post provocative statements. I'm aware that I am doing exactly that by writing this so will correct that error after this post.
Maybe you should change your username to 'Stato the attention seeking Atheist'? 🤣

 

[NEILLO]

People neither care that Eze has come from a religious background nor would I imagine that anyone cares that you see yourself as an Atheist. None of it is relevant. So why bring it up? Probably for the reason already suggested. You seem to have a need for people to respond to your posts and therefore post provocative statements. I'm aware that I am doing exactly that by writing this so will correct that error after this post.
Maybe you should change your username to 'Stato the attention seeking Atheist'? 🤣

There's a difference between '' provocative '' and inane, inacticute bollix.

I also used to think it was all attention seeking and I did post that thought on here a couple of years ago, but I think it runs deeper than that.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Nice bunch on here. You wouldn’t believe they are Palace fans.

 

[Palacesince64]

If you had read it properly, i said i don't now, but he hasn't got drive, i am an Atheist, so i don't know, as for Guehi we will see what happens with his choice of club. take a chill pill, maybe i seasonal effective disorder

Seasonal affective disorder Lanzo! Seasonal effective disorder would be a bonus. Personally I’m less effective in cold weather in many ways. 🤣 😉

 

[Eagleman13]

Seasonal affective disorder Lanzo! Seasonal effective disorder would be a bonus. Personally I’m less effective in cold weather in many ways. 🤣 😉

Blimey, are you YT in disguise?