It's pretty average of you to hold someone's faith against them in this way. Just saying. People are allowed to have ambition and aim for the top...even christians. These consistent little stabs are immature.
Eze to spurs?
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Its a poker game asall business is when you are trying to get the best deal. All summer Palace have been tight lipped and indicated that we did not need to sell and would spend when the right player became available. This was presumably in the hope that anyone who wanted Eze or Guehi would not only offer good money to tempt us but to also move fast to get them before someone else.
Sadly, it looks like Palace have blinked first. Its becoming more and more apparent we need to sell before we can buy and Glasner has started politely moaning that this wasn't what was agreed which puts more pressure on the owners.
While I agree Palace's strategy while it could have worked didn't, as someone who runs his own business I'd never spend money I dont have when I have saleable assets that can bring in the funds necessary.
I really dont see how anyone can hold you to ransom unless it becomes common knowledge that we need the money. We dont need the money. If no one is told there are only a couple of players needed. If someone is sold we still only need a couple of players and a replacement for the departure. If that happens we'll then have the money to do that.
RubinsCube
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It's a very short career these guys have. Players go in and out of fashion in terms of transfer interest, as Eze will perhaps be sensitive to given no one has publicly come in for him in the same way Newcastle did for Guehi or Chelsea/Bayern did for Olise. He is 27 going on 28, and has been with us a few seasons now.
I'm not sure doing nothing i.e. staying with Palace for his whole career is a mindset we want in our high impact players: we want them pushing the boundaries and attracting attention because it means they and hopefully the team overall are doing well. It's different imo if you have a stalwart midfielder like McArthur or a brilliant servant for the club like Ward/Speroni, but with the goalscorers and exciting flair players you definitely want them pulling up trees for you. But when they do this well it attracts other fans and clubs.
Would Spurs be a great move for him? Not in my eyes. But there might be larger factors at play eg other clubs making noises somewhere he fancies. Unlike Zaha and Olise, I cannot see him in the same way moving abroad, but that would be great if he did decide his future was not with CPFC.
One thing which I do think is in the club's favour is timing: anyone moving will want to be sure they get consistent first team game time and bedded in very quickly indeed as there are England games and a tournament coming up next summer. In Eze's case it might be the last or penultimate one where he will be seriously at the top of his game. He is flying in our team in a team which is having unprecedented success. So maybe an extension is more likely than we think for players like Mitchell/Guehi/Eze - I certainly hope so.
I'm not sure doing nothing i.e. staying with Palace for his whole career is a mindset we want in our high impact players: we want them pushing the boundaries and attracting attention because it means they and hopefully the team overall are doing well. It's different imo if you have a stalwart midfielder like McArthur or a brilliant servant for the club like Ward/Speroni, but with the goalscorers and exciting flair players you definitely want them pulling up trees for you. But when they do this well it attracts other fans and clubs.
Would Spurs be a great move for him? Not in my eyes. But there might be larger factors at play eg other clubs making noises somewhere he fancies. Unlike Zaha and Olise, I cannot see him in the same way moving abroad, but that would be great if he did decide his future was not with CPFC.
One thing which I do think is in the club's favour is timing: anyone moving will want to be sure they get consistent first team game time and bedded in very quickly indeed as there are England games and a tournament coming up next summer. In Eze's case it might be the last or penultimate one where he will be seriously at the top of his game. He is flying in our team in a team which is having unprecedented success. So maybe an extension is more likely than we think for players like Mitchell/Guehi/Eze - I certainly hope so.
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I get where you're coming from, I just don't particularly buy the logic re the weak position - we're in a much weaker position to negotiate fees when the whole world knows we just banked £100m in player sales and are on the clock to find replacements.
In terms of funding transfers; I find it hard to believe that a club of our size and revenue can't find funding for transfers - of course things like a career-ending injury are risks to be aware of, but surely risks so small that you don't allow them to dictate decisions. It's not just Eze and Guehi - Wharton is a £100m asset, Mateta a £50m one, Sarr, Lacroix, Munoz, Henderson all worth significantly more than we paid for them. The 'risk' that all of those assets don't realise their value is miniscule, and in my opinion we shouldn't not act based on a tiny risk like that.
I'd resigned myself to losing Eze and Guehi at the end of last season. But now with the season starting it's looking like it could be another unsettled start to the season and I can imagine Glasner will be hugely pissed off.
For whatever reason we seem to not be willing to spend any money before players depart, which is disappointing considering our recent success but I'm sure there's valid reasons.
If Eze and Guehi do leave then all I can say is I hope we have some targets lined up
If it was Football Manager I'd do the following:
Departures
Eze 68m
Guehi 40m
Rak-Sakyi 10m (to Saints)
Arrivals
ATT Dibling 30m +15m add ons (Rak-Sakyi sweetener)
ATT Nusa 30m + 5m add ons
CB Bisseck 30/35m
RB Arnau Martinez 10m
For whatever reason we seem to not be willing to spend any money before players depart, which is disappointing considering our recent success but I'm sure there's valid reasons.
If Eze and Guehi do leave then all I can say is I hope we have some targets lined up
If it was Football Manager I'd do the following:
Departures
Eze 68m
Guehi 40m
Rak-Sakyi 10m (to Saints)
Arrivals
ATT Dibling 30m +15m add ons (Rak-Sakyi sweetener)
ATT Nusa 30m + 5m add ons
CB Bisseck 30/35m
RB Arnau Martinez 10m
MancunianEagle
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Bisseck has already rejected us aswell as Juventus now having intrest in Arnau Martinez.
Dont Southampton want 45 million upfront so I doubt we cough that up when we can get El-Khanouss for around 30m.
Would love to get Nusa though amazing player.
Eze has 20% sell on to QPR and MC the same with Chelsea so you need to take that off and £8m is in add ons, so not guaranteed.
Supposedly Liverpool has offered £30m for Marc with £5m in add ons (too low IMHO). Based on that we'd get £28m upfront after giving Chelsea £2m (20% of £10m profit).
I suspect if JRS is sold it will be a package of £10m so maybe £6m or £7m upfront and the rest on add ons.
So your £118m is probably c£85m.
To the person who said Eze is getting on for 28 - he has only just turned 27, don't age the bloke. I notice Dewsbury Hall recently moved and no one mentioned his age, he is c3 months younger than Eze.
CPFCSaturn
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You are correct re the fees, but that also applies to any players we buy - transfer fees are rarely paid in full in advance these days, so buying a player for £50m doesn't mean we have to fork out £50m immediately.
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How about not only the cost of buying in the new player, but then potentially, if the sale of the player they are meant to replace doesn't happen, being lumbered with two sets of very high wages on the bill for the length of whatever their respective contracts are.
We wont buy anyone for 30m, 20/22 tops.
Essentially swapping Eze for Dibling and Guehi for Bisseck would be very good business.
Watch this space sports fans
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I meant if we sell a big player, then buy a replacement, we can get held to ransom and have to pay more because everyone knows we’ve sold one or two players for £50-70 mil each.
crvenaeagle
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Can't everyone just sign a new contract?
(Except maybe Edouard)
(Except maybe Edouard)
You've got to be kidding right? An established premier league star replaced by a teenager who may or may not be any good in the future. He's English so they're asking for 45m which is a joke of a price IMHO.
He's 19, big, tricky and was the shining light for them last season.
Definitely capable of stepping up further. Could be a 100m player in a couple of years.
Didn't we buy teenagers or unestablished players with potential before in Guehi, Wharton, Eze, Olise and Lacroix. They have all turned out fairly well. It's where we are in the pecking order and buy low sell high is a fairly sensible approach to achieve financial stability in an incredibly difficult business to make a profit in.
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We never paid anywhere 45 million for a project player though have we?
Exactly I wouldn't say 45m is buying low. Normally 16-22m region. We would have to sell the project to him and encourage Southampton to sell him and Fernandes for 45m the pair 😀
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Yes transfer fees are paid usually over a couple of years, not upfront. We don't have big gate receipts like some other clubs and have to spend 100+ million on the new stand. We wisely spent the money from AWB on the training ground. We have to live within our means. Eze has a good 4 years left in him, hopefully he will stay at least one more year. MG will go we are not yet big enough for him to stay, centre backs are easier to replace.
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Sounds like Spurs are still keen on Savinho from the FA Cup runners up ahead of our man Eze. Their dithering will cost them as I believe the clause in his contract ends tomorrow .This could all of course be Levy playing games
We can say no to any bids after Friday
We can say no to any bids after Friday