Crystal Palace vs. Liverpool match thread

[Dogburger]

Beaky had done some fantastic things for the club but he has undoubtedly played his part in the situation we find ourselves in.
1. We need a new manager
2. We need funds to bolster the squad in January
3. We need the ultras back to improve our atmosphere
Just my opinion

We have a new manager
Not sure where we stand under PSR or SCR rules to know if we even have any cash in hand .But yes we do need to strengthen at the back
The Ultras are there , they just need to stop sulking

 

[Stirlingsays]

I thought that was you..?

Well you are from Portishead, you can be forgiven.

 

[PatrickA]

Let’s try a league 2 manager. Play 4-4-2, 2 big men up front, 2 proper wingers, get ball wide, beat your man, cross it in. It worked in Championship manager ‘98, maybe all these modern tactics won’t be able to work out the good old stuff 😊

You may get your wish if we get Dyche or Lanzo in charge!

 

[jonnyfoz]

When I recently suggested that this is our worst squad for some time a few took umbrage. But it is, the table doesn't lie, and when matched with a tactical buffoon like Sage there was only one way it was heading. The next person (if there is going to be one) needs to go back to basics and just attempt to do things in a competent manner. It's a big ask.

Dyche would do that

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

We have a new manager
Not sure where we stand under PSR or SCR rules to know if we even have any cash in hand .But yes we do need to strengthen at the back
The Ultras are there , they just need to stop sulking

We have money - Parish just won’t spend it, trying to do everything on the cheap.

Well that’s really bit him in the a@s now..!!

If he’d recruited appropriately in defence we wouldn’t be in this position - he’s thrown
Sage under the bus.

Now he’s got to pay off Sage - pay another Manager - no doubt including a bonus for keeping us up.

If he’d of invested properly in the summer on the defence - all of this could have been avoided.

What’s the saying “penny wise, pound foolish”.

 

[OneStevePerrin]

We have money - Parish just won’t spend it, trying to do everything on the cheap.

Well that’s really bit him in the a@s now..!!

If he’d recruited appropriately in defence we wouldn’t be in this position - he’s thrown
Sage under the bus.

Now he’s got to pay off Sage - pay another Manager - no doubt including a bonus for keeping us up.

If he’d of invested properly in the summer on the defence - all of this could have been avoided.

What’s the saying “penny wise, pound

The defending is bad because of Sage. It wouldn’t matter if we had a different 3 at the back. It’s how we defend in front of them that’s the bigger problem

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

The defending is bad because of Sage. It wouldn’t matter if we had a different 3 at the back. It’s how we defend in front of them that’s the bigger problem

Not sure I agree - our central defenders just not Premier League standard.

That’s the main issue - yes Sage’s tactics may magnify it - but the lack of investment in recruiting quality replacements for Guehi and Lacroix is fundamental in the position we now find ourselves in.

 

[Rogers 11]

The defending is bad because of Sage. It wouldn’t matter if we had a different 3 at the back. It’s how we defend in front of them that’s the bigger problem

I disagree. The defence played well today. Mingueza's best game in a Palace shirt.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

Replacing Sage is not going to change anything, the game plan looked good today, luck deserted them but the major issues are that we can't score or defend and the table reflects that. These problems have been our nemesis for sometime now and not just under Sage. The next window is not going to save us so we may as well accept that this wonderful run in the EPL will end this season. OG knew that and I suspect walked for that reason.

Respectfully disagree. Just like Glasner he is refusing to adapt to what he has.

Last season it was clear that 5 at the back wouldn't work without Munoz and we didn't win in about 10 games when he was injured.

This season is is clear that we do not have good enough CBs to play that system. But instead of going to a back four and trying to strengthen the midfield, to protect them, once again he is trying the same thing over and over and over again.

Can guarantee the next manager immediately reverts to a back 4.

 

[Rogers 11]

We’re just a complete mess, a highly unprofessional side.

I’ve no idea what Sage is doing, it’s some sort of playground football which flattered to deceive against a lacklustre Liverpool who still scored three:

• The defence needs no explaining.
• Stupid flicks which go nowhere.
• Continually losing possession needlessly.
• No end product whatsoever.
• Inability to defend set pieces.
• Slowing down our own attacks as there’s no tactics.
• No structure to our defence or attack. The whole team in fact.
• Bizarrely incapable of keeping the ball on the ground.
• Lack of leadership.
• No ‘heart’.

The list of issues is endless. Players have to shoulder the blame too but this boils down to a manager completely out of his depth.
Was a terrible appointment and it’s costing us dearly. A dreadful miscalculation.

 

[PatrickA]

I disagree. The defence played well today. Mingueza's best game in a Palace shirt.

I think you're partly right....and partly wrong.
The individual performances of the defenders were ok, but at the same time it can't be said we've defended well when we've lost 3-0 at home with defensive mistakes leading to the goals.

 

[Rogers 11]

I totally disagree. Sage set the team up well and we played very well. With a bit of luck and a better ref, we could have been a couple of goals up before they scored. Allison also made two excellent saves. McAllister constantly wound up our players, and the cheating and diving ran through the whole team. Timber put in a great shift, and we were much worse when he went off.

 

[Hannes]

I think you're partly right....and partly wrong.
The individual performances of the defenders were ok, but at the same time it can't be said we've defended well when we've lost 3-0 at home with defensive mistakes leading to the goals.

This. We conceed 3 goals every game. If we do with a disaster performance or a halway acceptable doesn't make a difference. After all, it's the result that counts. And they are not acceptable week in week out.

 

[OneStevePerrin]

Not sure I agree - our central defenders just not Premier League standard.

That’s the main issue - yes Sage’s tactics may magnify it - but the lack of investment in recruiting quality replacements for Guehi and Lacroix is fundamental in the position we now find ourselves in.

Sorry, but the problem is Sage. You cannot set up your team to go head to head with the top prem teams. You have to be able to defend as an 11 and then hit them on the break. Liverpool have better players than us. It’s simple if you allow them to lose the ball coming at us then attack them. Our players constantly lose the ball attacking and our 3 at the back are left completely open because we don’t defend in numbers. We just aren’t good enough to attack the way we do :-(

 

[Stirlingsays]

We obviously don't have money.

Did Blackburn have money.....Did Cardiff have money.

The list of clubs who spent their way to the lower leagues and haven't come back up is quite extensive.

I bet all those clubs had people insisting they spend money over their budgets and I bet all of them went quiet when they fell like stones.

Everyone understands the frustation but running a budget matters.

Most clubs are under water and lying about it.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Statistics say otherwise and they go back way before Sage arrived, the squad overall is not EPL quality and the results support that hypothesis.

What with another 3-4-2-1 guy, go back and look at Roys stats

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

We obviously don't have money.

Did Blackburn have money.....Did Cardiff have money.

The list of clubs who spent their way to the lower leagues and haven't come back up is quite extensive.

I bet all those clubs had people insisting they spend money over their budgets and I bet all of them went quiet when they fell like stones.

Everyone understands the frustation but running a budget matters.

Most clubs are under water and lying about it.

So you’re resigned to us going down into the Championship and then into obscurity.

None of those clubs you mentioned had the success we have had over the last few seasons.

So my question is - if we have no money from that - why - where has it gone - certainly not on transfers.

Add to that all the incoming revenue from big money transfers out.

Just don’t believe we don’t have money - it’s just another Parish excuse and smokescreen for not spending.

 

[EagleEddie]

I totally disagree. Sage set the team up well and we played very well. With a bit of luck and a better ref, we could have been a couple of goals up before they scored. Allison also made two excellent saves. McAllister constantly wound up our players, and the cheating and diving ran through the whole team. Timber put in a great shift, and we were much worse when he went off.

That’s how I would sum up the game today but we did concede 3 goals again. If this was Sage’s first game in charge, I would have been happy with the way we played and could have seen some positives, unfortunately, it’s not his first game and it’s another loss. Can’t see Sage surviving this.

 

[Palacesince64]

Respectfully disagree. Just like Glasner he is refusing to adapt to what he has.

Last season it was clear that 5 at the back wouldn't work without Munoz and we didn't win in about 10 games when he was injured.

This season is is clear that we do not have good enough CBs to play that system. But instead of going to a back four and trying to strengthen the midfield, to protect them, once again he is trying the same thing over and over and over again.

Can guarantee the next manager immediately reverts to a back 4.

We’ve gone from an outspoken manager incapable of changing his system despite almost getting us relegated, to a quietly spoken manager incapable of changing his system despite it being certain to get us relegated.

 

[Painter]

Sorry, but the problem is Sage. You cannot set up your team to go head to head with the top prem teams. You have to be able to defend as an 11 and then hit them on the break. Liverpool have better players than us. It’s simple if you allow them to lose the ball coming at us then attack them. Our players constantly lose the ball attacking and our 3 at the back are left completely open because we don’t defend in numbers. We just aren’t good enough to attack the way we do :-(

Its all down to Sage's tactics, that the defence gets caught out. The second goal, Mitchell was on the edge of their box, when we lost the ball, Lerma had to cover, leaving big gaps in the centre. Third goal, again we were caught upfield lack of defenders again. If you watched Liverpool, they always had at least 5 in the back line, sometimes 8 makiing it difficult to score.
Its not the quality of defenders, its the tactics leaving us wide open, rarely happened in Roys time, his teams were built on a solid defence.