Crystal Palace vs Brentford match thread

[Lanzo-Ad]

As usual Glasner was commendably honest about the game, acknowledging that we deserved to lose.
He was realistic about the team that scored the first goal would have a significant bearing on the game, and it was Brentford that got it.
He pointed out our mistakes in the lead up to the penalty i.e it was self inflicted.
He also suggested there wasn't enough variation in our approach play.

Sadly if the game was played next week there is no reason to suspect there wouldn't be a similar result and that we wouldn't struggle against their system again.

In the absence of Wharton and with Eze's lack of form we need need our wing backs to have greater attacking involvement and be the spare man to create from wide.
This didn't happen today.

But Glasner never admits and never will that 4-2-3-1 and not 3-4-2-1 is the way to get the best out of what we have available, we have no wide players playing wide, just wing backs who never play far enough up the pitch, in possession they should both be as high up the pitch as Mateta.

 

[Willo]

A putrid, dastardly performance and we did not deserve anything from the game.
Yet again we started slowly, did not move the ball fast enough, played backwards far too often, there was no intensity to our play.I can assure you I had steam coming out of my ears and I was unable to bridle my tongue.

Eze had one of those afternoons when he frustrated all of us, in Sarr I saw the player I witnessed at Watford where he often played on the periphery and went "Missing" in games. Our wing-backs offered no threat whatsoever out wide.Lerma produced long throws but precious little else.
The Bench had no game changers - Nketiah and Kamada who were called upon made no impact whatsoever.
Well done to Esse for his goal with his first touch in PL football - this will clearly give him a boost.

Hours on the road in adverse weather conditions to witness that excreta.
😡 😡

 

[The Dolphin]

A horrible wet and windy day.
A referee who was diabolical.
Brentford are a bunch of cheats and time wasters - not a nice way to play at all.
A lot of players had off days sadly.
Guehi knows better than to put his foot that far into the area.
Eze showed glimpses today but he doesn't seem right.
A bad day for us but we have been pretty good of late so we take this one on the chin and move on.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Ok. Look at it this way. For what you say to be true you must then have to believe that a defender putting the ball out of play has no material impact on the opponent’s ability to play the ball. As that is clearly nonsense Guehi must have impacted hence the decision was right.

I have a slightly different take on it and possibly the reason why Guehi was interfering.

The penalty taker was the closest to the ball before Guehi nicked it off his toes, however the next closest player was another Brentford player, so you could argue that Guehi stole in front of the closest legally positioned player hence interfering with play. VAR are generally so inept however that I find it unlikely that this was the reasoning behind their decision.

 

[PatrickA]

But Glasner never admits and never will that 4-2-3-1 and not 3-4-2-1 is the way to get the best out of what we have available, we have no wide players playing wide, just wing backs who never play far enough up the pitch, in possession they should both be as high up the pitch as Mateta.

I can see where you're coming from and perhaps a change to a back 4 will come through circumstances.
I hear that Riad's injury could be long term and we've already lost Chaloboah.
Richards also went off today and we reverted to a back 4 at that point.
We've also now added another wide attacker in Esse.
It's early days for him, but if he impresses he may push his claims.
There's no doubt Mitchell would be more comfortable as a conventional left back and Lacroix and Guehi would be a very good central defensive pairing.

I'd have no qualms about changing the formation, in particular when the preferred system doesn't break down teams

 

[Willo]

I would add that VAR, the studio pundits, our players and OG all accepted this was the correct decision

Indeed it was, as was the decision to award the penalty.
From our perspective a game to forget.😡

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

Unfortunately the decision is correct as Guehi 'plays the ball' ie he puts it out of play when it comes back off the post therefore it fulfills the law that you've mentioned.

Like I said in an earlier post the bizarre thing about it all is if Guehi hadn't of played the ball and had let Mbuemo tap it into.an empty net then the goal would of been disallowed as nobody else touched it... Ridiculous really.

The problem with the encroaching rule is that the penalty taker stopped midway in his run up before striking the ball, hence 4 or 5 players were in the box some of them Brentford players!

 

[JHB]

I can see where you're coming from and perhaps a change to a back 4 will come through circumstances.
I hear that Riad's injury could be long term and we've already lost Chaloboah.
Richards also went off today and we reverted to a back 4 at that point.
We've also now added another wide attacker in Esse.
It's early days for him, but if he impresses he may push his claims.
There's no doubt Mitchell would be more comfortable as a conventional left back and Lacroix and Guehi would be a very good central defensive pairing.

I'd have no qualms about changing the formation, in particular when the preferred system doesn't break down teams

While you may be right it’s all academic as OG won’t change the formation. I felt we should have changed it earlier in the season when we had new players bedding in. Still think that would have meant we’d have a few more points from our opening fixtures. If OG wasn’t going to change then, he won’t now.

I also think that, formation aside, our more fundamental issue is that we just have very little depth in the squad. Mateta is our only viable striker. Eze is our only creative player. Lacroix and Guehi are good but beyond that there isn’t a lot of proven depth at centre half. We have one midfielder who is good at passing and he’s injured.

We can put out a decent starting eleven but beyond that we are weak. It means on days like today or if we get an injury then it’s a problem. Not a surprise given our budget and spending power.

 

[JHB]

The problem with the encroaching rule is that the penalty taker stopped midway in his run up before striking the ball, hence 4 or 5 players were in the box some of them Brentford players!

Didn’t they try and stop this a few years ago by saying the penalty taker had to have a smooth run up or some such wording?

 

[kennybrowns leftfoot]

The problem with the encroaching rule is that the penalty taker stopped midway in his run up before striking the ball, hence 4 or 5 players were in the box some of them Brentford players!

I totally agree however the kicker is allowed to feint as much as he wants in the run up. It only becomes an offence if he feints immediately before kicking the ball.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

Didn’t they try and stop this a few years ago by saying the penalty taker had to have a smooth run up or some such wording?

I’m not sure, but Mbuemo does it all the time and to make it even more ridiculous you had Wizza running behind him waving his arms at the same time putting Henderson off for the retake.

 

[Willo]

Didn’t they try and stop this a few years ago by saying the penalty taker had to have a smooth run up or some such wording?

A player is permitted to stop and start during their run-up but is not permitted to stop or pretend to kick the ball at the end of the run-up, it has to be kicked immediately.

 

[Eagleman13]

And for emphasis on words one should use italics not block caps! 😀

You've just lost your argument & being a pedant is not a good look.

 

[eaglesdare]

Just one of those games. We just have to get over ourselves and move on 🤣

 

[Painter]

The problem with the encroaching rule is that the penalty taker stopped midway in his run up before striking the ball, hence 4 or 5 players were in the box some of them Brentford players!

This is the key point. A run up for a penalty should be one flowing movement, not stop and starting, you could slow but not stop. Anything else is cheating and luring encroachment, so you get two chances, if you miss it gets taken again, if you score nobody bothers with encroachment, even your own players.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

Just one of those games. We just have to get over ourselves and move on 🤣

Let Eze’s goal at Brentford which was disallowed and today’s penalty fiasco sink in a bit more before coming out with reasonable statements. 😂

 

[Hannes]

Didn’t they try and stop this a few years ago by saying the penalty taker had to have a smooth run up or some such wording?

That's how I understood it as well. Mbeumo approached the ball like Nureyev (or like a Lippizaner, our white horses). I thought that was forbidden by the laws.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

A home record of 2 wins in 12 games, with only 11 goals is pretty pathetic, with players like Mateta, Eze, Sarr, Nketiah and now Esse and possibly Franca soon, with only 3 of them playing at a time, very poor selection

 

[Painter]

Glasner was outthought by Frank, who obviously studied how we play and nullified us. Munoz hardly ever got forward, Mateta was played well by Collins, Eze had 2 men straight on him, they played a 3 man midfield to our 2, so we were always a man short and didnt get any control.
The penalty was the game changer, enough has already been written about that, just not our day.

 

[Dnjc]

A putrid, dastardly performance and we did not deserve anything from the game.
Yet again we started slowly, did not move the ball fast enough, played backwards far too often, there was no intensity to our play.I can assure you I had steam coming out of my ears and I was unable to bridle my tongue.

Eze had one of those afternoons when he frustrated all of us, in Sarr I saw the player I witnessed at Watford where he often played on the periphery and went "Missing" in games. Our wing-backs offered no threat whatsoever out wide.Lerma produced long throws but precious little else.
The Bench had no game changers - Nketiah and Kamada who were called upon made no impact whatsoever.
Well done to Esse for his goal with his first touch in PL football - this will clearly give him a boost.

Hours on the road in adverse weather conditions to witness that excreta.
😡 😡

Haha the weather was horrible today and i only travelled from park langley! Let’s hope for a better match when we schlep up to Man U.