Crystal Palace vs Brentford match thread

[CPFCSaturn]

A home record of 2 wins in 12 games, with only 11 goals is pretty pathetic, with players like Mateta, Eze, Sarr, Nketiah and now Esse and possibly Franca soon, with only 3 of them playing at a time, very poor selection

Given only 4 of them have been available so far this season, I'm not sure what that expectation would be!

Including Esse and Franca in a post about the last 12 games is just disingenuous.

 

[park the bus]

A home record of 2 wins in 12 games, with only 11 goals is pretty pathetic, with players like Mateta, Eze, Sarr, Nketiah and now Esse and possibly Franca soon, with only 3 of them playing at a time, very poor selection

Are you suggesting that OG plays them all at the same time? A bit like Ossie Ardiles' time as manager at the Spuds, 5 up front ha ha. I think it's just a case of you being upset that your Ballon D'Or candidate is out of sorts and you are clutching at straws.

 

[JHB]

Given only 4 of them have been available so far this season, I'm not sure what that expectation would be!

Including Esse and Franca is a post about the last 12 games is just disingenuous.

Yeah it’s not that we need to play more attacking players it’s that the overall quality of attacking play needs to be better. That’s all over the pitch and as a team.

The issues are well known. Midfield lacks good passers until (and if) Wharton returns and plays like he was. Wingbacks are both limited. Mitchell isn’t a natural attacker. Munoz is but technically he’s not great so end product is often missing. Distribution from defence can be good but can be poor (like yesterday).

Players are mid table players as another poster said. It’s not that the likes of Sarr, Nketiah etc are a reason we should be playing lovely attacking football. It’s that having players like them is the reason we don’t.

 

[Elphers40]

I think it’s becoming a little bit Eze dependent. If he plays well the team looks half decent and if not we lose. Yesterday was his worst game this season.
OG has to find a solution from the bench when this happens and not leave it too late.

I fully agree with many observations about TM. His instincts are defensive minded and not to drive forward into space to deliver a cross/shot. Doesn’t suit WB role and we must rectify this if we are to push on.

No hiding from the fact yesterday was a missed opportunity- which is why it was so difficult to stomach….totally ruined my weekend.

 

[Willo]

I think it’s becoming a little bit Eze dependent. If he plays well the team looks half decent and if not we lose. Yesterday was his worst game this season.
OG has to find a solution from the bench when this happens and not leave it too late.

I fully agree with many observations about TM. His instincts are defensive minded and not to drive forward into space to deliver a cross/shot. Doesn’t suit WB role and we must rectify this if we are to push on.

No hiding from the fact yesterday was a missed opportunity- which is why it was so difficult to stomach….totally ruined my weekend.

His bench yesterday consisted of 2 players in the 'Twilight' of their careers, 2 inexperienced players from the academy and Nketiah and Kamada who have not impressed.

 

[ASCPFC]

When I think back to the game, Munoz was little involved. One of his worse games.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

When I think back to the game, Munoz was little involved. One of his worse games.

Yeah I thought so too - he looked a little flat, despite his assist.

 

[ASCPFC]

Yeah I thought so too - he looked a little flat, despite his assist.

Maybe had the illness they all had. I had the flu pretty bad at Christmas and I can still feel it.

 

[PatrickA]

His bench yesterday consisted of 2 players in the 'Twilight' of their careers, 2 inexperienced players from the academy and Nketiah and Kamada who have not impressed.

Your points are valid, but Brentford were without Hickey, Pinnock and Henry who , if fit, would make up 3 of their back 4 and also DaSilva who provides a powerful presence in midfield.
They also lost the influential Norgard during the game and played with 2 makeshift full backs, one of whom.is really a winger.
Teams can also find excuses for poor performances, but the true test is how teams deal with adversity.
Yesterday we didn't start too well and then got steadily worse.
Glasner acknowledged we didn't play well and we now have the unwanted record of Brentford doing the double over us.
The key thing now is how we respond in fortcoming games.

 

[Willo]

Your points are valid, but Brentford were without Hickey, Pinnock and Henry who , if fit, would make up 3 of their back 4 and also DaSilva who provides a powerful presence in midfield.
They also lost the influential Norgard during the game and played with 2 makeshift full backs, one of whom.is really a winger.
Teams can also find excuses for poor performances, but the true test is how teams deal with adversity.
Yesterday we didn't start too well and then got steadily worse.
Glasner acknowledged we didn't play well and we now have the unwanted record of Brentford doing the double over us.
The key thing now is how we respond in fortcoming games.

I fully accept that Brentford had some players missing - my comment was to highlight the paucity of our squad.
In terms of their full-backs against us, Roerslev is a right-back by trade but has played further forward in a wing-back role. He might be departing the club in this 'Window'.
Lewis-Potter is a striker but can play out wide and as a number 10.On occasions he was deployed as a wing-back at Hull under then manager Arveladze. He has filled-in at left-back at Brentford this season.

 

[PatrickA]

I fully accept that Brentford had some players missing - my comment was to highlight the paucity of our squad.
In terms of their full-backs against us, Roerslev is a right-back by trade but has played further forward in a wing-back role. He might be departing the club in this 'Window'.
Lewis-Potter is a striker but can play out wide and as a number 10.On occasions he was deployed as a wing-back at Hull under then manager Arveladze. He has filled-in at left-back at Brentford this season.

I was agreeing with your observation that our squad options could be better.

It's the attempt to seek excuses for poor performances and results that I sometimes struggle with.

In fairness, Glasner doesn't seek to make excuses and neither does Frank who has had more than his fair share of absences to deal with.

With regard to Lewis Potter, I noted his progress as an attacking player earlier in his career.
He is no left back though and the fact that neither Sarr nor Munoz were able to expose this on Sunday is an indictment of their performances.
I'm not saying they are bad players, or weren't trying; it was an 'off day' for them.

 

[mogrem]

Are you suggesting that OG plays them all at the same time? A bit like Ossie Ardiles' time as manager at the Spuds, 5 up front ha ha. I think it's just a case of you being upset that your Ballon D'Or candidate is out of sorts and you are clutching at straws.

From the 81st minute we played 4-2-4 so not completely impossible.. Hahaha but yeah chasing a game but starting formation. Nah.. Only extra player I could see is Sarr starting over Munoz but that would just be wierd since Munoz often is one of our 3 top players.

 

[Willo]

I was agreeing with your observation that our squad options could be better.

It's the attempt to seek excuses for poor performances and results that I sometimes struggle with.

In fairness, Glasner doesn't seek to make excuses and neither does Frank who has had more than his fair share of absences to deal with.

With regard to Lewis Potter, I noted his progress as an attacking player earlier in his career.
He is no left back though and the fact that neither Sarr nor Munoz were able to expose this on Sunday is an indictment of their performances.
I'm not saying they are bad players, or weren't trying; it was an 'off day' for them.

Yesterday's performance was total excreta.
The same team which secured back-to-back victories against Leicester and W.Ham (And 2 clean sheets) disappointed us all and they succumbed to an abject and deserved defeat.With the team performing well below par, I was ruminating about the options from the bench and I was not encouraged at all during my bouts of contemplation.

Apropos Lewis-Potter, there were some a few years ago who believed he could develop into a better player than Jarrod Bowen, both of these having been on the books of Hull.

 

[doombear]

So, an 8 hour round trip to see one of our poorest performances (not as bad as Fulham). The weather made the game something of a lottery - one minute a pass would stick, the next the wind decided to intervene. It was the same for both sides.

It was one of those games when the team was out of sorts. All teams have them (ask the Spuds' and Citeh's fans). An aberration which I expect us to have sorted out by the time we face Man U next Sunday.

We move on. The end of the world hasn't come...

 

[ex hibitionist]

When I think back to the game, Munoz was little involved. One of his worse games.

I think Frank saw we over-rely on Munoz bombing down the right so their right back and right half (to use an old fahioned term) combined to frustrate him, their two big centre backs gave JPM less time to trap the ball and do his hold up game, those have been our main two outlets lately and Frank planned for it, similarly Munoz wasn't great at Leicester but their left wing back (Christensen?) was really good and very tight on him. It's then up to the players to come up with an effective plan B to suit the oppo's new positioning but that never happened yesterday. Most of our long range shots were down the keeper's throat whereas theirs forced Henderson into some decent saves.

 

[CT Charlie]

I think Frank saw we over-rely on Munoz bombing down the right so their right back and right half (to use an old fahioned term) combined to frustrate him, their two big centre backs gave JPM less time to trap the ball and do his hold up game, those have been our main two outlets lately and Frank planned for it, similarly Munoz wasn't great at Leicester but their left wing back (Christensen?) was really good and very tight on him. It's then up to the players to come up with an effective plan B to suit the oppo's new positioning but that never happened yesterday. Most of our long range shots were down the keeper's throat whereas theirs forced Henderson into some decent saves.

Good point about Frank frustrating us by focusing on Munoz, and our need to counteract the strategy. Unfortunately Mitchell at LWB limits our attacking options on the left (I'm a HUGE fan of his defending), and none of our central midfielders is a natural attacker, either.

What we need is a healthy Wharton. Many of us felt that the MVP of last spring could just as easily have been him (rather than Olise or JPP), thanks to his field vision, anticipation, and incisive through-balls.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

Everyone on here seems despondent after our first defeat in quite a while. Yesterday defeat was more to do with the weather than anything else, it was a lottery in those conditions and we were unlucky to not get anything from that game, as per the panels verdict on MOTD 2.

Hopefully Man Utd away coming up next will help us get back on track….

 

[Hannes]

So, an 8 hour round trip to see one of our poorest performances (not as bad as Fulham). The weather made the game something of a lottery - one minute a pass would stick, the next the wind decided to intervene. It was the same for both sides.

It was one of those games when the team was out of sorts. All teams have them (ask the Spuds' and Citeh's fans). An aberration which I expect us to have sorted out by the time we face Man U next Sunday.

We move on. The end of the world hasn't come...

I beat you to it as Fulham was my last live game and it was a couple of hours more to get to SP and back home. But as you say, not the end of the world! 🙂 😉

 

[JHB]

I beat you to it as Fulham was my last live game and it was a couple of hours more to get to SP and back home. But as you say, not the end of the world! 🙂 😉

The weather did make it feel a bit like the end of the world.

Even when the apocalypse does come we will be on here talking about wingbacks and academy players

 

[Painter]

There has been a lot of forensic analysis of the game, but if Eze's free kick had gone in off the post, instead of deflecting out, I doubt there would be the same stuff written. As Parish said in the podcast, if a shot goes a foot left as appose to a foot right and misses the whole mood changes, its a game of fine margins.