Teddy Eagle
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Works for me. Until someone scores against us from a cross which was clearly out.
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Crystal Palace v Everton Match Thread
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Works for me. Until someone scores against us from a cross which was clearly out.
park the bus
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In the future AI will make referees and assistants redundant, there will be cameras and sensors covering all areas of the pitch and the corresponding data will be fed into the AIVAR algorithm which will broadcast a split second calculation live on the match day screens.
I don’t think we dominated. I think they sat back and looked to hit us on the break or when we lost the ball. It worked like a treat given they won. We should have won but only because they handed us two golden chances in the first half through defensive mistakes but we squandered them. Sarr’s miss is as bad as I’ve seen this season. We couldn’t create so Everton let us have the ball and lose it time after time in the final third when we ran out of ideas.
We are safe as you say, competitive as you say but also absolutely shocking at home. That is one OG has not worked out. In OG we trust yes but we will end up this season on the same sort of points total as under Hodgson and Viera. Some great wins but some incredibly disappointing losses.
park the bus
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I watched the replay of this a number of times and I cannot still understand how it is possible to sidefoot a shot from a few yards out onto the bar, a truly terrible, panicky effort that cost us gravely in the end - a goal then would have been about right on the balance of play and settled the course of the game. Truly dire.
He does lots and lots of good things but there is a reason he cost £14m rather than £40m. Very inconsistent.
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with robot referees, that'll be good
ASCPFC
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I'm irrationality annoyed and also hungover. f*** Everton.
Living In Hope
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First chance to post after going to the match. I thought our starting line-up was wrong. Against a physically strong team like Everton we needed guile, so I thought we should have started with Eze and Wharton. This decision was exposed when we took Lerma off at half-time and then started losing the midfield battle on physicality and energy in the 2nd half (which is where Lerma would have made a difference either as a sub or starting with Wharton).
I also thought we played far too much to their strengths with aerial balls towards their towering back-line. We made precious little use of Sarr's pace throughout the match, and the same for Nketiah when he came on, who kept having to challenge Tarkowski and Branthwaite for headers ! Balls on the ground behind their back-line would surely have been more effective, or running at them with the ball at our feet (Eze, Sarr, Nketiah all capable of this).
As others have said, Mitchell had a nightmare - normally incredibly reliable defensively but mediocre going forward, he was really poor in both aspects yesterday, and Chilwell was a major upgrade when he came on.
Overall though I didn't think we played badly. Against a team like Everton who neither score nor concede much it was always going to be tight, and giving away a ridiculous opening goal, and suffering a questionable VAR decision to disallow Lerma's header were always likely to be crucial to the result. Ultimately Everton bullied and out-muscled us, but even so we should really have taken a point.
I also thought we played far too much to their strengths with aerial balls towards their towering back-line. We made precious little use of Sarr's pace throughout the match, and the same for Nketiah when he came on, who kept having to challenge Tarkowski and Branthwaite for headers ! Balls on the ground behind their back-line would surely have been more effective, or running at them with the ball at our feet (Eze, Sarr, Nketiah all capable of this).
As others have said, Mitchell had a nightmare - normally incredibly reliable defensively but mediocre going forward, he was really poor in both aspects yesterday, and Chilwell was a major upgrade when he came on.
Overall though I didn't think we played badly. Against a team like Everton who neither score nor concede much it was always going to be tight, and giving away a ridiculous opening goal, and suffering a questionable VAR decision to disallow Lerma's header were always likely to be crucial to the result. Ultimately Everton bullied and out-muscled us, but even so we should really have taken a point.
Eaglecoops
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Were you in the same bar as me? The more I drank the worse I got, then had a crap Chinese takeaway on the way home. Terrible day all round.
Agreed. This is the most disappointed I have felt all season (at least until Millwall beat us). Wharton and Eze come back from contributing nothing much to England's cause and little more to Palace's; of five summer signings one good, one fair and the rest ineffective, at best; the prospect of Guehi and Mateta leaving in the summer
Having Brentford and Everton doing the double over us is so dispiriting
This was a game we should bever have lost.
Without really dominating the 1st half we had enough good chances to be ahead so to go in 1 down was a massive disappointment. Clearly the throw in was a massive error, however, i think Lerma was most at fault as he came for it short and then switched off. He was very slow to react too - could he have fouled the guy to stop the breakaway? However, does this also not highlight how generally poor and unorganised we are generally at throw ins.
Second half Everton got better and we got worse - the long ball was never going to work. However, again their 2nd goal was very avoidable as we many chances to clear, very similar to Brentford's first.
The poor home form has already been discussed - for me we are still a vey naive team at times which makes it too easy for teams to score. Personally the OG formation doesn't suit us as much at home when teams sit back and our lack of goals is clearly evidence of this. We struggle to score more than one goal at home so we will always struggle to win in those circumstances.
Finally VAR really doesn't like us at the moment. For the 'goal' surely if VAR can't prove a ball has gone out then the goal should be given, as it would with offside. If this had happened to a big club head would roll.
Even for our actual goal VAR had an angle where you couldn't even see JP as Beto was completely blocking his view (the one the linesman had) so have no idea why it took 5 minutes. Yes it was close but clearly not offside. It was as if VAR were desperately trying not to give us the goal.
I personally think the attacking side should always be given the benefit of doubt and VAR should have a 1 or 2 minutes limit. If you can't find a foul or offside in that time it is not a clear and obvious error.
Probably the only time I’m going to post on this forum….
Normally lurk as an outsider to learn what the opposition fans think about their game v Everton…. for what it’s worth thought Palace should have had a point and would have won if they took their chances….
Any way onto the real beef …
Haven’t read such an unhinged comment for a very long time….
Who ever you are, your ‘whinge’ about football fans from Merseyside fans in the 1980s demands a rebuttal….
Clearly you really know the square root of SFA about the behaviour of LFC and particularly about EFC supporters in the 1980s ….. how could you … your club was for the most part of the decade floating around the second tier, existing on sub five figure annual average attendances…
You no doubt base your calumny on reading your favourite newspaper The Scum…. You probably still believe the shite that rag published about Hillsborough…. your prejudiced and wilful ignorance shines through your bollox… implying - in fact claiming- many fans committed crimes to follow their teams away in Europe….no one denies there was a small minority who did this…. You of course condemn virtually all , tarring them with the same brush, just like racist Islamophobic arseholes today rant on about Muslims and migrants…
For the record …. Forty years ago, I was one of 25000 Evertonians who attended the 1985 ECWC Final in Rotterdam …. Of course you are completely oblivious to the recorded praise by the local police and Mayor about our behaviour before, during and after the game, aren’t you?
The reality is this….underneath all your blustering bullshit and deliberate exaggerations, lies (in all different meanings of the word) a sad, envious individual, jealous of the past achievements of two opposition clubs which your club will never attain in your lifetime…
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Had a day to reflect, it was very disappointing at the time, but perhaps the "expectations" are too high considering the current overall quality of the squad. Our ability to get balls in the box from the wings is really limited to Munoz, compared to when Olise provided lot of assists from the wing via his crosses or cutting inside to feed Eze. Another issue we have to live with is that neither Kamada or Nketiah are impact subs; Kamada is not premier league material and Eddie is a skillful baller, but someone who has never been a proven or consistent scorer at this level and currently unable to fit in the Glasner system. We need some serious upgrades in the summer, otherwise next season will be a repeat of yesterday.
I also agree with questions and comments regarding our set up and tactics at home .... the team seems to be on the back foot, no structure going forward, Mateta is doing an unbelievable job holding up play and laying off the ball, but then it fizzles out because we don't get up the field quickly enough. I guess when we are away, we rely on set pieces and scoring on the break, but this is not working so well at Selhurst.
I also agree with questions and comments regarding our set up and tactics at home .... the team seems to be on the back foot, no structure going forward, Mateta is doing an unbelievable job holding up play and laying off the ball, but then it fizzles out because we don't get up the field quickly enough. I guess when we are away, we rely on set pieces and scoring on the break, but this is not working so well at Selhurst.
Teddy Eagle
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What a shock. Another Scouse victim. Gizza job? Yeah, right. A job selling a bin liner full of hubcaps.
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Normally that's sadly true, but we linked up really well in attacking possession yesterday, more first half for sure, and if the Lerma goal had stood, as it should have done, and Everton had to come out so we had a chance to get in behind them it would most likely have been a very different result - it was not a bad performance, and as for people knocking Glasner for not starting with Eze and Wharton, they are coming back off injuries ffs! Without that stupid linesmen a lot of posters would be saying how well we played not how badly, they're basing their criticism almost purely on the result, which in yesterday's case does not reflect the balance of the game - my only real criticism is how we managed to lose that game. Performances have improved since our poor start and they're continuing to improve - it's all a bit we're wonderful when we win and rubbish when we lose. There's not a lot to play for league-wise now, but I'm sure we'll have more good days than bad, but that also means we can have a proper tilt at the cup. Onwards and upwards fellow posters.
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Given that it is generally accepted that most visiting teams play deep to defend and break, and it seems this doesn't favour our current formation- which is generally more successful playing away - as statistics prove - then maybe - we should try a different formation when playing at home - be that 4-4-2 or whatever. Surely worth a try ? A much wiser man than me once said -paraphrasing - 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is madness.'
Someones still got the hump at being smashed at Wembley in the Simod cup final 😉
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.....and you managed not to mention Heysel. Well done.
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You must have this saved and just replace the opposition team name
Copy paste edit 😂
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I have to say I totally and utterly agree with Teddy Eagle and also speak from numerous personal (unpleasant) experiences. Everton fans are without doubt the single worst group of football supporters I have ever had the misfortune of policing. Second worst would be Liverpool.
Too many awful examples to list them all but generally highly intoxicated, unpleasant, rude, unruly, unlawful and disgusting behaviours.
Of all the big games I’ve worked at Wembley we would generally have about 30-40 ejections per match at worst!
Any time we had either Liverpool or Everton there they would be off the scale! Worst one was the 2012 FA Cup Semi Final when there were well over 400 ejections (for gaining entry without a valid ticket) - One particular individual got thrown out 4 times! Jumping the turnstiles, opening fire exits from inside to let their ticketless mates in from outside, climbing over the walls, bribing stewards and gate staff to turn a blind eye. We also had untold forgeries in circulation for any game involving one of the scouse teams. Literally ten times the amount for any other team.
Liverpool away at Chelsea, hundreds of ticketless drunk Liverpool ‘supporters’ trying to force their way into the stadium by breaching the cordons and turnstiles near to the Bovril Gate. Liverpool supporters, of all people!!!
Everton away at Fulham (2005), 2-0 down at half time, over half of the Everton supporters stayed drinking on the concourse, behind the away stand, for the entire second half. Bought all the drinks at half time and just never went back to watch the game. Abusing the catering staff, stewards and police. Urinating wherever they liked, damaging the stadium and just generally pissed up, disorderly and totally obnoxious.
Villa Park 1990 for our FA Cup Semi-Final - Stood on the Holte End, being spat at repeatedly and sworn at by ten and eleven year old scouse kids, climbing up the central segregation fences when Rush put them 1-0 up. Same kids balling their eyes out at full time when we’d beaten them 4-3!
The examples I could give are quite literally endless but I can’t be arsed. Never their fault either and always the victims! 🙄
Yes some other teams supporters can be unpleasant and a handful but never have I witnessed such vile, selfish and unlawful behaviour as with those two sets of supporters and on such a large scale and such a regular and consistent basis!