Crystal Palace are stagnating. Again.

[AkiRiihilatiTheGOAT]

Crystal Palace are stagnating. Again.

Evann Guessand transfer saga is a microcosm of Palace's summer window

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[PatrickA]

In my amateur view, on the face of it this article provides food for thought.
If it's true that we have £90 million of headroom on PSR (suppoedly reported by the Athletic) why so reticent in the market?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

In my amateur view, on the face of it this article provides food for thought.
If it's true that we have £90 million of headroom on PSR (suppoedly reported by the Athletic) why so reticent in the market?

Patrick, you are a sensible chap, don't you think with 25 days to go you should wait, if nothing happens then we can say, terrible window, but it could be our best window ever or not, 25 days will tell.

 

[PatrickA]

Patrick, you are a sensible chap, don't you think with 25 days to go you should wait, if nothing happens then we can say, terrible window, but it could be our best window ever or not, 25 days will tell.

I agree we could still have a good window and our record on recent transfer windows has been generally excellent.

My issue is the squad is not where it should be on the eve of a new season with the extra demands of Europe.
We're in real danger of having to play catch up again as Glasner has alluded to.

To deny this is almost to pretend that the season doesn't start proper until after the window closes, and the fact that the squad isn't prepared from Day 1 is immaterial.

Some have pointed out, with some validity, that our slow start last season didn't stop an FA Cup win and high points total.

I come at it from a different perspective - if we had bern properly prepared and resourced from Day 1 we could have been pushing for a top 6 finish.

Our results after those early games when we were at last properly resourced, prepared and organised bear this out.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I agree we could still have a good window and our record on recent transfer windows has been generally excellent.

My issue is the squad is not where it should be on the eve of a new season with the extra demands of Europe.
We're in real danger of having to play catch up again as Glasner has alluded to.

To deny this is almost to pretend that the season doesn't start proper until after the window closes, and the fact that the squad isn't prepared from Day 1 is immaterial.

Some have pointed out, with some validity, that our slow start last season didn't stop an FA Cup win and high points total.

I come at it from a different perspective - if we had bern properly prepared and resourced from Day 1 we could have been pushing for a top 6 finish.

Our results after those early games when we were at last properly resourced, prepared and organised bear this out.

i agree to a certain degree, but the starting 11 will be what Glasner has taught all last season, adding, Clyne, Lerma, Hughes, Devenny, Esse they know the score, obviously we need more back up, but whoever we buy will not get in the starting eleven until late Sept, unless of injuries.

 

[PatrickA]

i agree to a certain degree, but the starting 11 will be what Glasner has taught all last season, adding, Clyne, Lerma, Hughes, Devenny, Esse they know the score, obviously we need more back up, but whoever we buy will not get in the starting eleven until late Sept, unless of injuries.

I genuinely hope that you are right, but that bench does not inspire confidence if we want to change games, encounter injuries or make substitutions .
We have a busy schedule in the early weeks including Europe and have already lost Nketiah and Franca.
I'm not looking to change the strong first team, but I don't want to see Devenny, Kamada (decent as they are) pressed into front 3 action.
They'll do a job but don't carry genuine threat there.

As for Esse, he may have potential, but I don't believe he's ready at present.

 

[sprites]

i agree to a certain degree, but the starting 11 will be what Glasner has taught all last season, adding, Clyne, Lerma, Hughes, Devenny, Esse they know the score, obviously we need more back up, but whoever we buy will not get in the starting eleven until late Sept, unless of injuries.

Hughes should be starting 11. Just saying.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Crystal Palace are stagnating. Again.

Evann Guessand transfer saga is a microcosm of Palace's summer window

rufusking.substack.com

Over simplified article. Every club misses out on signings.

Because we have headroom doesn’t mean we have to spend it given that means you are losing money.

My main criticism of the club isn’t over transfers as 13 years in PL and a trophy is unprecedented for palace, it is the stadium rebuild where Parish and board have not delivered yet and that is essential if club is to keep up with others in PL

 

[BromleyMonkey]

As soon as I read the first paragraph I gave it up as a load of old bollox. Semenyo, Watkins and Ekitike were all keen to join palace?? Yeah right, where did he get that information from?

 

[Willo]

As soon as I read the first paragraph I gave it up as a load of old bollox. Semenyo, Watkins and Ekitike were all keen to join palace?? Yeah right, where did he get that information from?

The general thrust of the sentiments is the opinion of those with whom I have engaged in conversation.

 

[MrRobbo]

I agree we could still have a good window and our record on recent transfer windows has been generally excellent.

My issue is the squad is not where it should be on the eve of a new season with the extra demands of Europe.
We're in real danger of having to play catch up again as Glasner has alluded to.

To deny this is almost to pretend that the season doesn't start proper until after the window closes, and the fact that the squad isn't prepared from Day 1 is immaterial.

Some have pointed out, with some validity, that our slow start last season didn't stop an FA Cup win and high points total.

I come at it from a different perspective - if we had bern properly prepared and resourced from Day 1 we could have been pushing for a top 6 finish.

Our results after those early games when we were at last properly resourced, prepared and organised bear this out.

You as with many, are assuming that we havent been trying. And that Steve is sat on a beach somewhere doing nothing. I'm not saying that the guy doesn't have his faults, but I cant believe for a million years that the club wouldn't want to get their business done as early as possible. Especially with a guy like Glasner at the club.

But I also know that there will be loads that goes on that nobody knows. Was Guessand after 250k a week? Was he after some guarantees that Eze was going to leave? Were we lining him up as a replacement assuming someone was going to trigger Eze's release clause? Were we being used to get a better deal from Villa?

IMO I'd assume it was connected to the Eze situation.

 

[Willo]

You as with many, are assuming that we havent been trying. And that Steve is sat on a beach somewhere doing nothing. I'm not saying that the guy doesn't have his faults, but I cant believe for a million years that the club wouldn't want to get their business done as early as possible. Especially with a guy like Glasner at the club.

But I also know that there will be loads that goes on that nobody knows. Was Guessand after 250k a week? Was he after some guarantees that Eze was going to leave? Were we lining him up as a replacement assuming someone was going to trigger Eze's release clause? Were we being used to get a better deal from Villa?

IMO I'd assume it was connected to the Eze situation.

Suffice to say that supporters, in general, are totally oblivious to the workings behind the scenes and form conclusions that are the inverse of the truth.

 

[PatrickA]

You as with many, are assuming that we havent been trying. And that Steve is sat on a beach somewhere doing nothing. I'm not saying that the guy doesn't have his faults, but I cant believe for a million years that the club wouldn't want to get their business done as early as possible. Especially with a guy like Glasner at the club.

But I also know that there will be loads that goes on that nobody knows. Was Guessand after 250k a week? Was he after some guarantees that Eze was going to leave? Were we lining him up as a replacement assuming someone was going to trigger Eze's release clause? Were we being used to get a better deal from Villa?

IMO I'd assume it was connected to the Eze situation.

Your first paragraph is a work of fiction.
Nowhere have I said that the club isn't trying to sign players or that Parish is on the beach.
Quite the contrary, I've said he has been an excellent chairman.
Nonetheless that admiration doesn't extend to a blind sheeplike view that everything is rosy and as long as we're trying then everything is ok.
I hold the view that the squad is not where it should be at this stage of the season and I've given my reasons.
You disagree.
End of story.

 

[Willo]

Your first paragraph is a work of fiction.
Nowhere have I said that the club isn't trying to sign players or that Parish is on the beach.
Quite the contrary, I've said he has been an excellent chairman.
Nonetheless that admiration doesn't extend to a blind sheeplike view that everything is rosy and as long as we're trying then everything is ok.
I hold the view that the squad is not where it should be at this stage of the season and I've given my reasons.
You disagree.
End of story.

I am in total agreement on this matter.

 

[berlinpalace]

As soon as I read the first paragraph I gave it up as a load of old bollox. Semenyo, Watkins and Ekitike were all keen to join palace?? Yeah right, where did he get that information from?

‘Yeah right, where did he get that information from?’
It’s possible that the author is a contortionist.

 

[AkiRiihilatiTheGOAT]

As soon as I read the first paragraph I gave it up as a load of old bollox. Semenyo, Watkins and Ekitike were all keen to join palace?? Yeah right, where did he get that information from?

In 2023, Ekitike was refusing to turn up to PSG training because we were interested and he was trying to force a move. We kept lowballing and he went to Frankfurt instead. We were also lowballing Bristol City for Semenyo and Brentford for Watkins. Obviously I did not mean that they were keen THIS transfer window.

 

[AkiRiihilatiTheGOAT]

Your first paragraph is a work of fiction.
Nowhere have I said that the club isn't trying to sign players or that Parish is on the beach.
Quite the contrary, I've said he has been an excellent chairman.
Nonetheless that admiration doesn't extend to a blind sheeplike view that everything is rosy and as long as we're trying then everything is ok.
I hold the view that the squad is not where it should be at this stage of the season and I've given my reasons.
You disagree.
End of story.

This is exactly what I was trying to get across in my article, bravo

 

[MrRobbo]

Your first paragraph is a work of fiction.
Nowhere have I said that the club isn't trying to sign players or that Parish is on the beach.
Quite the contrary, I've said he has been an excellent chairman.
Nonetheless that admiration doesn't extend to a blind sheeplike view that everything is rosy and as long as we're trying then everything is ok.
I hold the view that the squad is not where it should be at this stage of the season and I've given my reasons.
You disagree.
End of story.

But you still think that with proper preparation we should be pushing for a top 6 finish?

 

[Nicholas91]

The ideal scenario for me was that we would retain the vast majority (if not all) of our best players, bring in suitable reinforcements and perhaps sign one or two who would improve us. We would also do this early in the window to give Glasner what I have been led to believe he desired - a reasonable amount of time to work with the squad and have it ready for the new season which now includes a European campaign.

As things stand, we have a back up GK and a LWB signed for £3mil but have not yet lost anybody of significant note with the window closing soon. That could well change, may well change and that is my concern as it would be worrying. It may be a convenient excuse however our UEFA drama and sale of shares must be factored in as a huge contributing factor to the ideal scenario not playing out.

The worst case scenario is always feared and it is of course very easy to play 'Armchair... Chairman' when the best case scenario does not manifest however I am disinclined to panic too much. I'd be far more worried as a Brentford or newly promoted fan. We have the FA Cup, we will have European football (whatever that looks like) and we have a Chairman who has brought that to us. A little faith isn't the craziest notion.

It's a nervous "let's wait and see" for me but I don't think hysterical panicking will do me or anyone else any favours. I'll just show up to games when the season gets going, try to enjoy them, throw my full support as always and slowly work on a stomach ulcer as my emotions erupt inside.

Palace supporting eh? GAWD!

COYP

 

[PatrickA]

But you still think that with proper preparation we should be pushing for a top 6 finish?

I don't see why that shouldn't be an aspiration based on our form in the last two thirds of the season and at the end of the previous season.
Glasner has demonstrated that with the tools at his disposal he can deliver results and beat even the best teams.
I would contend that we are at least as strong as the Forest team that were in the Champions League places for the whole season until they well away in the last few weeks.
Ambitious- why not?
The real crime is to aim low and still miss.