Censorship and Social Media

Teddy Eagle said:
Now there will be some new laws to investigate.

www.independent.co.uk

Government set to unveil plans for new Islamophobia tsar

A leaked draft suggests a "special representative" will "champion efforts across the UK to tackle hostility and hatred directed at Muslims”
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Slippery slope of restrictions on free speech. Not sure why it is necessary unless it’s to make sure that we can’t criticise the followers of the only religion that seems to want to attack us.
 
I haven't been to a festival for decades. I don't know much about the Wireless festival, but in terms of crime and bad stuff happening, it's way below the Notting Hill Stabival.
But HMG have banned the headliner, Kayne West, from the UK, thus forcing the organisers to cancel the festival.
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Wireless Festival cancelled after Kanye West blocked from coming to UK

West was due to headline the festival in July but drew criticism over past antisemitic comments.
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Not being a groovy youngster any more, I know very little about Kayne West or his music, or politics. But HMG have decided to ban him for political reasons.

Like I said, I know very little, but this seems waaaay over the top and another signal of an authoritarian regime in the UK, destroying free speech.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
I haven't been to a festival for decades. I don't know much about the Wireless festival, but in terms of crime and bad stuff happening, it's way below the Notting Hill Stabival.
But HMG have banned the headliner, Kayne West, from the UK, thus forcing the organisers to cancel the festival.
www.bbc.co.uk

Wireless Festival cancelled after Kanye West blocked from coming to UK

West was due to headline the festival in July but drew criticism over past antisemitic comments.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
Not being a groovy youngster any more, I know very little about Kayne West or his music, or politics. But HMG have decided to ban him for political reasons.

Like I said, I know very little, but this seems waaaay over the top and another signal of an authoritarian regime in the UK, destroying free speech.
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What I thought was peculiar was that if Kanye is anti semetic then it would make sense to have the festival at Finsbury Park…
 
Common Sense Club said:
What I thought was peculiar was that if Kanye is anti semetic then it would make sense to have the festival at Finsbury Park…
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He presumably still has his own record company because no sensible person would allow songs with the titles 'Heil Hitler' and 'Gas Chamber' to be released with their label.
I'm all for free speech and expression, but there is a limit to all things and I think that expressing antisemitic thoughts in this way probably crosses a line.

Starmer, of course, sees banning him as low hanging fruit useful for an easy point scoring. No doubt also an excuse to ignore the increasing hatred shown towards Jews by Islamist loons and their new lefty friends.
 
eaglesdare said:
Hopefully kneecap receive the same treatment.
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This and Bob Vylan was exactly why Kanye was hired in the first place. So the audience can chant anti Israel songs. It's certainly not for musical talent - in any of these examples. Kanye West, Bob Vylan and Kneecap are appallingly sh1t. No one seems to have noticed that Kneecap are essentially satire. Yet everyone taking them seriously. Just morons.
 
Common Sense Club said:
Slippery slope of restrictions on free speech. Not sure why it is necessary unless it’s to make sure that we can’t criticise the followers of the only religion that seems to want to attack us.
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Of course it isn’t,

Anything that builds trust, reduces tensions and provides reassurance to people ought to be welcomed by everyone.

That won’t stop you calling out evil acts or condemning bad behaviour. We are all free to do that. What it will address is unwarranted attacks on innocent individuals because of their religious beliefs.

Distinguishing between free speech and hate speech is vital. It really isn’t difficult but some on the right appear incapable of even understanding that there is a difference.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course it isn’t,

Anything that builds trust, reduces tensions and provides reassurance to people ought to be welcomed by everyone.

That won’t stop you calling out evil acts or condemning bad behaviour. We are all free to do that. What it will address is unwarranted attacks on innocent individuals because of their religious beliefs.

Distinguishing between free speech and hate speech is vital. It really isn’t difficult but some on the right appear incapable of even understanding that there is a difference.
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It's a secular society that is now becoming policed for viewpoints on a backwards religion. Why should people accept that? Why do people have to agree with Islam? Are religions above criticism? Reducing tensions with Islam seems to mean simply surrendering to what they want. Not an open debate where everyone is heard.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course it isn’t,

Anything that builds trust, reduces tensions and provides reassurance to people ought to be welcomed by everyone.

That won’t stop you calling out evil acts or condemning bad behaviour. We are all free to do that. What it will address is unwarranted attacks on innocent individuals because of their religious beliefs.

Distinguishing between free speech and hate speech is vital. It really isn’t difficult but some on the right appear incapable of even understanding that there is a difference.
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What I regard as free speech, somebody else can insist it’s hate speech…and the balance of the debate will side with the latter. That is what I fear but you don’t see that happening….until it does and then it’s too late.
 
ASCPFC said:
It's a secular society that is now becoming policed for viewpoints on a backwards religion. Why should people accept that? Why do people have to agree with Islam? Are religions above criticism? Reducing tensions with Islam seems to mean simply surrendering to what they want. Not an open debate where everyone is heard.
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No one will be restricted from criticising Islam, any more than they would any other religion. I criticise all religious beliefs. That’s not Islamophobia. Which is showing prejudice towards those who hold that faith. I criticise the belief but respect the rights of others to hold it. I also expect them to respect my right to disagree.
 
Common Sense Club said:
What I regard as free speech, somebody else can insist it’s hate speech…and the balance of the debate will side with the latter. That is what I fear but you don’t see that happening….until it does and then it’s too late.
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Why?

Any professional regulator will be able to determine the difference between genuine criticism and prejudicial behaviour.

Writing a well reasoned, carefully argued critique of Islam is perfectly reasonable and must be defended as the right to free speech.

Parading outside a mosque and creating a disturbance during a religious event wouldn’t be.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No one will be restricted from criticising Islam, any more than they would any other religion. I criticise all religious beliefs. That’s not Islamophobia. Which is showing prejudice towards those who hold that faith. I criticise the belief but respect the rights of others to hold it. I also expect them to respect my right to disagree.
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There can be no doubt whatsoever that this expectation won't be met in all respects.
 
Common Sense Club said:
What I regard as free speech, somebody else can insist it’s hate speech…and the balance of the debate will side with the latter. That is what I fear but you don’t see that happening….until it does and then it’s too late.
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the price you pay for 'freedom of speech' is that all the looneys get to pollute the airways. But thats ok cos they mostly cancel each other out.

it beats our current setup.....'free speech for me, but not for thee'
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No one will be restricted from criticising Islam, any more than they would any other religion. I criticise all religious beliefs. That’s not Islamophobia. Which is showing prejudice towards those who hold that faith. I criticise the belief but respect the rights of others to hold it. I also expect them to respect my right to disagree.
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I hope that's the case as it turns out, but I also doubt it will be.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No one will be restricted from criticising Islam, any more than they would any other religion. I criticise all religious beliefs. That’s not Islamophobia. Which is showing prejudice towards those who hold that faith. I criticise the belief but respect the rights of others to hold it. I also expect them to respect my right to disagree.
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Try telling a Muslim that their god Mohammed who married a child was a peodo.
Only facts but will get your throat cut or you arrested.
That’s not Islamophobia but would be deemed as such.
 
cryrst said:
Try telling a Muslim that their god Mohammed who married a child was a peodo.
Only facts but will get your throat cut or you arrested.
That’s not Islamophobia but would be deemed as such.
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alternatively, if you want to hear some Christianophobia ? at, say Hyde Park Corner, just ask for their opinions on the Sanctity of Christ ? or on the Holy Virgin Mary or all the beautiful icons in the Greek Church ?
are our rules on 'freedom of speech & blasphemy' only travelling in one direction ?

and as for AntiSemitism ? would it be safe to walk past Hyde Park Corner dressed as an Orthodox Jew ? can i encourage some of HOL's resident lefties to try it out ?
 
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