Censorship and Social Media

eaglesdare said:
I've been thinking this too for a while now. That the left of today remind me more of Nazi Germany and their carry on rather than the "far right" have today.
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I don't completely disagree, but there were a few factors which led to the rise of the Nazis. One was deep and acrimonious division between the right and the left, which increasingly turned into violence against each other. Another was a sense of a country wronged and let down by its leadership, and looking back for inspiration to a previous era. And the Nazis saw democracy as a modern weakness, replacing it with dictatorship, and they found culprits to blame for their country's woes in the Jews.

There are elements of this in both right and left currently. Probably more so in the left in my view (anti-semitism, anti-democracy), but writing as someone with broadly right wing views, the right (inspired by a previous era, risk of replacing anti-semitism with anti-muslim / immigrant) also needs to ensure that it does not follow the path the Nazi movement.
 
Living In Hope said:
There are elements of this in both right and left currently. Probably more so in the left in my view (anti-semitism, anti-democracy), but writing as someone with broadly right wing views, the right (inspired by a previous era, risk of replacing anti-semitism with anti-muslim / immigrant) also needs to ensure that it does not follow the path the Nazi movement.
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what religion was their scary nasty leader ? was it Aryan mumbo jumbo ?

- alcohol teetotal
- violently antiSemitic and Homophobic

- didnt eat Pork
- had a dubious relationship with his own niece
- killed his own dog

- longterm unemployed

- anti intellectual, censoring, burning books
- saw women as breeders, not career women.

- he bossed a load of rape-gangs, marauding across Europe.

- favoured nepotism for important jobs and any high-ranking Public Sector posts.

any ideas Eagles ? cos it is all a bit confusing ?
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
what religion was their scary nasty leader ? was it Aryan mumbo jumbo ?

- alcohol teetotal
- violently antiSemitic and Homophobic

- didnt eat Pork
- had a dubious relationship with his own niece
- killed his own dog

- longterm unemployed

- anti intellectual, censoring, burning books
- saw women as breeders, not career women.

- favoured nepotism for important jobs and any high-ranking Public Sector posts.

any ideas Eagles ? cos it is all a bit confusing ?
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Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs. I get that, though some parts of this are real red herrings (pork, tea-total, nepotism). I understand and agree with the view that there is a brand of Islamism which is incompatible with British values and has no place here, and it is deeply concerning that it has gained a foothold. But I am also worried that there is an increasing number of right-wingers who fail to realise that there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are. And that contrary to some right wing views, my experience is that our cities are pretty safe and not overrun with prowling foreign criminals. And don't tell me I am naive. I spend a lot of time working in suburbs of London and in multicultural environments.
 
Living In Hope said:
Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs. I get that, though some parts of this are real red herrings (pork, tea-total, nepotism). I understand and agree with the view that there is a brand of Islamism which is incompatible with British values and has no place here, and it is deeply concerning that it has gained a foothold. But I am also worried that there is an increasing number of right-wingers who fail to realise that there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are. And that contrary to some right wing views, my experience is that our cities are pretty safe and not overrun with prowling foreign criminals. And don't tell me I am naive. I spend a lot of time working in suburbs of London and in multicultural environments.
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Nepotism and incest are different, just saying
 
PalazioVecchio said:
what religion was their scary nasty leader ? was it Aryan mumbo jumbo ?

- alcohol teetotal
- violently antiSemitic and Homophobic

- didnt eat Pork
- had a dubious relationship with his own niece
- killed his own dog

- longterm unemployed

- anti intellectual, censoring, burning books
- saw women as breeders, not career women.

- favoured nepotism for important jobs and any high-ranking Public Sector posts.

any ideas Eagles ? cos it is all a bit confusing ?
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Russ Abbot?
 
Living In Hope said:
Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs. I get that, though some parts of this are real red herrings (pork, tea-total, nepotism). I understand and agree with the view that there is a brand of Islamism which is incompatible with British values and has no place here, and it is deeply concerning that it has gained a foothold. But I am also worried that there is an increasing number of right-wingers who fail to realise that there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are. And that contrary to some right wing views, my experience is that our cities are pretty safe and not overrun with prowling foreign criminals. And don't tell me I am naive. I spend a lot of time working in suburbs of London and in multicultural environments.
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And ignore child rape and turn a blind eye because their " culture " is tribal and clan based if from Pakistan and Afghanistan in particular.

I have seen no issues with muslims from Malaysia for example in the UK so it's more of a combination of religion and demographic rather than just religion
 
Living In Hope said:
Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs. I get that, though some parts of this are real red herrings (pork, tea-total, nepotism). I understand and agree with the view that there is a brand of Islamism which is incompatible with British values and has no place here, and it is deeply concerning that it has gained a foothold. But I am also worried that there is an increasing number of right-wingers who fail to realise that there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are. And that contrary to some right wing views, my experience is that our cities are pretty safe and not overrun with prowling foreign criminals. And don't tell me I am naive. I spend a lot of time working in suburbs of London and in multicultural environments.
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I don't want to live in a society where Islam is an increasing influence and I'm worried that it's just your kind of opinion that enables that to happen.

I've just seen what happens in a by election because of these views.

There are over fifty countries that are majority Muslim. Anyone who is a Muslim and feels uncomfortable here has a large number of options. This is a Christian/secular by culture country and I feel uncomfortable with an opinion that seeks to communise that.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I don't want to live in a society where Islam is an increasing influence and I'm worried that it's just your kind of opinion that enables that to happen.

I've just seen what happens in a by election because of these views.

There are over fifty countries that are majority Muslim. Anyone who is a Muslim and feels uncomfortable here has a large number of options. This is a Christian/secular by culture country and I feel uncomfortable with an opinion that seeks to communise that.
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Stopping a football game so the muslims can have a religeous ritual. So teams with Christians can demand no games on Sundays, same principle. The country has been scared into being afraid to say anything that could be critical of Islam, nightmare
 
Living In Hope said:
Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs. I get that, though some parts of this are real red herrings (pork, tea-total, nepotism). I understand and agree with the view that there is a brand of Islamism which is incompatible with British values and has no place here, and it is deeply concerning that it has gained a foothold. But I am also worried that there is an increasing number of right-wingers who fail to realise that there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are. And that contrary to some right wing views, my experience is that our cities are pretty safe and not overrun with prowling foreign criminals. And don't tell me I am naive. I spend a lot of time working in suburbs of London and in multicultural environments.
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Not that old argument again.

It is never the peaceful ones that you have to worry about and they will not be the ones who dictate.
The very existence of an increasing number of Muslims affects our culture. Stupid lefties and corporations pandering to them for ideals and profit.

Breaks in football for Ramadan? Pandering to Islam in a way that Christians are never afforded. Loads of other examples. It's a slippery slope which will only get steeper.
 
Living In Hope said:
Of course you are drawing parallels between Hitler and Islamic beliefs.
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no i am not. I never said that. You are putting your words into my keyboard. try that again and i will get you a yellow card for infringing the terms of HOL.

Living In Hope said:
...... there are also large numbers of Muslims who just want to live their lives and be accepted by society for what they are.
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there were many peaceful German folk living in 1930s Germany. And many of them felt compelled to participate in various activities that they would have otherwise opted out of. Otherwise they would have got bullied, or worse.

Getting the thread back on track, they got censored too. 1930's Germany had violent censorship. Just imagine blokes with guns arriving at the offices of any publication ? and murdering the journalists ? horrific.
And very quickly thereafter we saw a kind of 'self censorship' where contributors, to any public discourse, kept silent.

Censorship.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
no i am not. I never said that. You are putting your words into my keyboard. try that again and i will get you a yellow card for infringing the terms of HOL.


there were many peaceful German folk living in 1930s Germany. And many of them felt compelled to participate in various activities that they would have otherwise opted out of. Otherwise they would have got bullied, or worse.

Getting the thread back on track, they got censored too. 1930's Germany had violent censorship. Just imagine blokes with guns arriving at the offices of any publication ? and murdering the journalists ? horrific.
And very quickly thereafter we saw a kind of 'self censorship' where contributors, to any public discourse, kept silent.

Censorship.
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If that is not the case then I don't know what your post was about, and why you quoted the things you did about Hitler. I was not trying to accuse you of anything, but simply trying to interpret your post. Ultimately the point of my original post was to caution those of us on the right (and I include myself in this) that we need to be aware of descending unconsciously into extremism (and in my view that includes grouping all Muslims with those Islamists who wish to impose their ways on us, who believe women are inferior, who believe gay people should be put to death etc). Just to be clear, I am not trying to imply that you are doing that, but I want to reiterate that most people (others may disagree) of whatever creed just want to live their lives in peace, free from the assholes who want to force their beliefs on all of us.

I agree with your points above - there were many who supported or at least enabled the Nazis who were just normal people in extremely testing circumstances. But some of those circumstances, particularly the extreme animosity between right and left, are being repeated now.
 
eaglesdare said:
www.gbnews.com

X investigating after 'offensive Grok posts' regarding Hillsborough, Diogo Jota and Munich air disaster

The AI chatbot Grok has posted a series of explicit messages in recent days
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Looks like the X AI has made some potentially racist and offensive posts in regards to the Diogo Jota and Munich air disaster.

It seems that users asked the AI the generate them.

Another crack down by the UK government looming? Any excuse to attack X.
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There hasn’t been, nor will there be an attack on X!

Cracking down on any social media platform that fails to remove content that is illegal is merely ensuring that our law applies everywhere in our country.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There hasn’t been, nor will there be an attack on X!

Cracking down on any social media platform that fails to remove content that is illegal is merely ensuring that our law applies everywhere in our country.
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Actually, there has been and continues to be direct pressure on X. Ofcom has an ongoing investigation into Grok, threats of fines up from global revenue, explicit warnings of a potential UK ban from ministers and two tier kier himself.
 
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