Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

Spurs fan coming in peace. I've got a lot of love for European football so have huge sympathies for Palace potentially not getting the rewards their season deserves.

I imagine the appeal will largely revolve around Textor's involvement but I think Palace should at least try and make the argument on another front too.

There is precedent that the FA Cup in England has been considered more worthy than league placing in the past.
Wigan's FA Cup win forced 5th placed Tottenham in to a qualifying round because Wigan were ranked higher: 2013–14 UEFA Europa League - Wikipedia

I'm pretty sure there have been other examples where scheduling conflicts have given favourability to the FA Cup winners over English clubs league position.

Really, Palace should be arguing that they've qualified as England's sixth best club which is equal to Lyon. Their 12th place finish isn't the criteria they've qualified on so shouldn't be relevant.

I don't know how UEFA would resolve two clubs that are both equivalent to 6th but surely in this football world that favours the elite there's an argument that the higher ranked league should take priority.

If both can't qualify I'd really be pushing for Lyon's removal because Palace are theoretically ranked higher than 6th place Villa and unless the rules have since changed, there's precedent for it with Wigan.
Thank you Spurs Jason. Means a lot to get other clubs stepping in on an ethical front that can only be healthy for the sport. Palace fans would do likewise for others. The only rivalry that should take place is during a 90 min match.
 
Woody Johnson in diplomat guise would be our biggest player to deal with this. Seeing as how the rules aren't working - try influence. One tariff on European football call from the US government and we'd be straight back in.
I'd also be questioning the French league results and the deals between Textor and Marinakis. It looks like match fixing. France was always historically corrupt but this takes the biscuit. In Marinakis case, the whole twin pack. In Textor's case, he'll eat the crumbs off of the ground.
 
Lanzo - I ask you the same question - if you are Steve Parish, you’ve read the email in January or February, what do you do next ?

I dont understand this question, you know what needs to happen, textor has to place his shares into a blind trust or if us and lyon qualify for the same European competition then one will have to drop out. We can all argue if the deadline is fair or not but thats the deadline, we didn't do it and now we're not in the Europa.
 
So let’s put you in Steve Parish’s shoes.
It’s January or February, you choose.
You’ve read the UEFA email

What do you do next ?
True, but Parish also said he has never had any direct contact from UEFA whatsoever and he only found out about their contact when someone pointed out to him it was sent to their general website, info@CrystalPalace. If that is 100% true then it is a shocking way of contacting a PL owner and CEO.
 
I dont understand this question, you know what needs to happen, textor has to place his shares into a blind trust or if us and lyon qualify for the same European competition then one will have to drop out. We can all argue if the deadline is fair or not but thats the deadline, we didn't do it and now we're not in the Europa.
1. Textor was trying to sell his shares in Palace; you would have to remove them from a blind trust to be able to sell and therefore back to square one.
2. How do you force a director to put his shares into a blind trust if he is trying to sell them?
3. The issue is that UEFA don't understand how Palace's structure is set up.
4. (And this is probably the real reason) - Lyon are a bigger club than Palace and they would look better in the Europa League than some team from the unfashionable part of London.
 
Parish stated, “UEFA sent an email in January to info@cpfc.co.uk.” And Textor stated, “UEFA sent us an email in late February.” Parish also stated, “They kept sending it and sending it.”

This has to be a significant factor in the CFCB’s decision-making process to ban us from the Europa League. In other words, a case of extreme insularity and naively on Palace’s part, but that doesn’t justify an outright ban.

Questions & Analysis:
What address should UEFA be sending emails to Crystal Palace? Clearly, Parish doesn’t like the one they used.
Who is responsible for monitoring CPFC emails and forwarding them on?
Were they finally forwarded to the directors and chairman in late February?
If Textor had these emails forwarded to him in late February, why didn’t he seek clarification, as a matter of some urgency, from the ECA regarding his MCO status?
And the same onus also applies to Blitzer.
Were these emails exactly the same, or was the wording changed to heighten the need to acknowledge and respond? It defies all belief that UEFA were just resending the same email.
How long does it take to respond to critical emails like these? The same day, that’s how long it takes!

If Textor (and the same also applies to Blitzer) had acted responsibly and had sought appropriate advice, through their membership of the ECA, they would, at the very least, have documented ‘a registered interest’ in this matter that would have bought them enough time to put their shares into a blind trust by the 30th of April final deadline.

I do appreciate that UEFA have hardened their position, and are making it increasingly difficult for MCOs to operate; but MCOs also need to protect their business interests, their operational integrity, and their reputation, plus the interests of the club they have invested in, in what is now a very difficult and treacherous climate for them.

I also appreciate that foreseeing this scenario would have been highly unlikely, but you have to be risk 100% risk averse regarding financial regulations, which means keeping your ear very close to the ground by continuously networking and employing some of the best sport lawyers and specialists in the business. And, at the very least, you seek independent advice from the ECA, and don’t just assume that you know what rules apply to you. And bear in mind, the chairman of the ECA, Nasser Al-Khelaifi, also sits on UEFA’s executive committee.

All this is hugely expensive and very time consuming, but if you want to be both competent and successful in managing a sporting portfolio that runs into hundreds of millions, you also need an accountability threshold that can justify the expenditure of vast amounts of money and the potential impact it can have on innumerable supporters of the clubs you both own and manage.
 
Sorry, I have to disagree as I think Palace have been punished for their own successful ability to set the club's ownership and shareholding correctly to avoid exactly this scenario; UEFA don't like it because we have outwitted them.
1. Lyon provisionally relegated in November 2024
2. June 2025 relegation confirmed
3. July 2025 relegation overturned on appeal

Textor would have known in March that Lyon were in a tricky situation with 400 million in debt and this together with the Palace structure would not have necessitated any action. He was trying to sell his stake in Palace and realised that Lyon were in breach of UEFA's financial stability rules, so he probably thought that Lyon were stuffed at this stage. So, if anybody is at fault it is Textor.

In addition, we are talking about Textor putting his Palace shares into a blind trust to avoid a problem, but why couldn't he put his Lyon shares into one as he wasn't trying to sell those at the time?

I genuinely think that the Board thought they were ok and I think the CAS will think so too.
I disagree, but respect your opinion.
 
Good stuff.
We should get Steve Browett back to plead our case to the head of UEFA.
This sets out our position succinctly and makes me wonder even more how we have found ourselves in this position.
Steve Browett has said nothing more than most on here have been saying all along. We are being shafted by UEFA pure and simple who have chosen to ignore all of the common sense arguments.
 
How can it be a mistake involving Parish?

Textor was a shareholder and Director. He wasn’t controlled by Parish so couldn’t be forced to do anything. The buck doesn’t just stop with Textor. It was his alone.

Textor had been trying to sell his shares for 2 years because Parish wouldn’t accept a multi club arrangement. The very thing we are now accused of. So I don’t suppose it occurred to him, or anyone else, that there was a need to do anything to deal with a situation that didn’t exist.
Textor has no day to day running of the club, Parish does, Textor said if he had seen the email he, personally wouldn't put them in a blind trust, but if Parish had asked him he would have, believe that or not, but nobody read the email, as Parish and Textor have agreed, to see if an extension could be done, as Forest did, but we didn't read it, unbelievable.
 
1. Textor was trying to sell his shares in Palace; you would have to remove them from a blind trust to be able to sell and therefore back to square one.
2. How do you force a director to put his shares into a blind trust if he is trying to sell them?
3. The issue is that UEFA don't understand how Palace's structure is set up.
4. (And this is probably the real reason) - Lyon are a bigger club than Palace and they would look better in the Europa League than some team from the unfashionable part of London.
You obviously didn't see the Jordan/Textor interview, putting it in a blind trust would not have stopped him from selling, he used the analogy of it being like property, and would have done it if Parish had asked him, but nobody read the EMAIL
 
Parish stated, “UEFA sent an email in January to info@cpfc.co.uk.” And Textor stated, “UEFA sent us an email in late February.” Parish also stated, “They kept sending it and sending it.”

This has to be a significant factor in the CFCB’s decision-making process to ban us from the Europa League. In other words, a case of extreme insularity and naively on Palace’s part, but that doesn’t justify an outright ban.

Questions & Analysis:
What address should UEFA be sending emails to Crystal Palace? Clearly, Parish doesn’t like the one they used.
Who is responsible for monitoring CPFC emails and forwarding them on?
Were they finally forwarded to the directors and chairman in late February?
If Textor had these emails forwarded to him in late February, why didn’t he seek clarification, as a matter of some urgency, from the ECA regarding his MCO status?
And the same onus also applies to Blitzer.
Were these emails exactly the same, or was the wording changed to heighten the need to acknowledge and respond? It defies all belief that UEFA were just resending the same email.
How long does it take to respond to critical emails like these? The same day, that’s how long it takes!

If Textor (and the same also applies to Blitzer) had acted responsibly and had sought appropriate advice, through their membership of the ECA, they would, at the very least, have documented ‘a registered interest’ in this matter that would have bought them enough time to put their shares into a blind trust by the 30th of April final deadline.

I do appreciate that UEFA have hardened their position, and are making it increasingly difficult for MCOs to operate; but MCOs also need to protect their business interests, their operational integrity, and their reputation, plus the interests of the club they have invested in, in what is now a very difficult and treacherous climate for them.

I also appreciate that foreseeing this scenario would have been highly unlikely, but you have to be risk 100% risk averse regarding financial regulations, which means keeping your ear very close to the ground by continuously networking and employing some of the best sport lawyers and specialists in the business. And, at the very least, you seek independent advice from the ECA, and don’t just assume that you know what rules apply to you. And bear in mind, the chairman of the ECA, Nasser Al-Khelaifi, also sits on UEFA’s executive committee.

All this is hugely expensive and very time consuming, but if you want to be both competent and successful in managing a sporting portfolio that runs into hundreds of millions, you also need an accountability threshold that can justify the expenditure of vast amounts of money and the potential impact it can have on innumerable supporters of the clubs you both own and manage.
Also the Chairman of beIN Media Group as well as the CEO/President of a certain FRENCH club based in Paris . . . PSG! Coincidence?
 
True, but Parish also said he has never had any direct contact from UEFA whatsoever and he only found out about their contact when someone pointed out to him it was sent to their general website, info@CrystalPalace. If that is 100% true then it is a shocking way of contacting a PL owner and CEO.
Yes I know that. And agreed, that’s an unsatisfactory way of communicating such an important piece of information.

But I’m asking the question - IF he’d seen it and read it. What is he expected to do ? He can’t force Textor to either put his shares into a Blind Trust or sell the shares that in any case have been available to purchase for some time now.

Textor saying he would have gone down the Blind Trust route if asked to….well I for one find it hard to believe anything that he claims but that’s just my opinion.

Over to CAS - a favourable decision in our favour affords UEFA a modicum of dignity should they be overturned
 
Genuine direction that both club and fans SHOULD take and that is to write to and lobby for The Sports Minister to get involved given that this matter does fall into her professional remit and that she can take the issue to UEFA: Stephanie Peacock MP

Contact details: https://members.parliament.uk/member/4607/contact

Regional MPs have admirably made their position publicly clear and very promptly:


Emailed her, I think we all just need to make a big fuss - it's what scousers do.

"I sincerely hope you will use your position to influence to restore Crystal Palace's position in the Europa League. This is an injustice as winners of the greatest domestic cup in the footballing world, and Palace fans are very upset by this double standard applied to our club versus other clubs.
Somebody joked "Is this what Kier Starmer's one in one out policy was for?" But it's not funny, this is corruption from the French FA authorities in favour of Lyon, with some very shady player deals struck between MCOs Nottingham Forest and Lyon in order to suddenly raise the funds to get Lyon reinstated, thus allowing Forest in too.
Please contact Steve Parish and the FA as soon as you can and use your Parliamentary powers to assist with most urgency."
 
I'm happy that the football world has largely condemned UEFA for this decision. Even Forest fans are at least 50/50 on whether this decision stinks or not and they are the ones benefiting from it. The more people that complain the more pressure UEFA come under. It is now the right time for the FA as well as the Premier League to speak on behalf of their champion/member and apply more pressure on our behalf.
Doing that could possibly result in a cave in.
Meanwhile, Palace need to get this to CAS and prepare for the biggest legal fight our club has ever fought. Its not just about the EL place, there's a principle at stake here. Roll over and accept UEFA's decision and not only do Palace look weak but the next smaller club that crosses their path will equally be bullied.
For what its worth, if it goes to CAS I believe we'll win. I dont really care what that does to any relationship we have with UEFA going forward. If we stay within the rules which we have always done what can they do?
I really hope beating them in court is a massively humiliating experience that the bureaucrats never forget
 
I dont understand this question, you know what needs to happen, textor has to place his shares into a blind trust or if us and lyon qualify for the same European competition then one will have to drop out. We can all argue if the deadline is fair or not but thats the deadline, we didn't do it and now we're not in the Europa.

Oh thanks for this, let's close the thread.
 

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