Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[grumpymort]

Dropping Palace down makes no sense.

Unless they have changed it you could compete in Europa and if you get knocked out at a stage you drop down to conf meaning its possible Palace could meet them in there.

 

[NEILLO]

or put another way ....Crystal Palace fans are the ones to suffer because their club and owners have been guilty of naivety, of not doing what was needed by a certain date in order to pretend there is no ‘ownership’ of more than one club.

So let’s put you in Steve Parish’s shoes.
It’s January or February, you choose.
You’ve read the UEFA email

What do you do next ?

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

For the French FA to have taken the decision to relegate Lyon there must have been grounds and substantive ones. On appeal this was reversed and without any alternative discipline, basically business as usual. Surely, a points deduction should have been applied?
Had this happened then that would have put them out of the European places.
It stinks!!

That’s what I don’t understand. Did it really go from relegation to nothing, that makes no sense.

 

[Spurs Jason]

Spurs fan coming in peace. I've got a lot of love for European football so have huge sympathies for Palace potentially not getting the rewards their season deserves.

I imagine the appeal will largely revolve around Textor's involvement but I think Palace should at least try and make the argument on another front too.

There is precedent that the FA Cup in England has been considered more worthy than league placing in the past.
Wigan's FA Cup win forced 5th placed Tottenham in to a qualifying round because Wigan were ranked higher: 2013–14 UEFA Europa League - Wikipedia

I'm pretty sure there have been other examples where scheduling conflicts have given favourability to the FA Cup winners over English clubs league position.

Really, Palace should be arguing that they've qualified as England's sixth best club which is equal to Lyon. Their 12th place finish isn't the criteria they've qualified on so shouldn't be relevant.

I don't know how UEFA would resolve two clubs that are both equivalent to 6th but surely in this football world that favours the elite there's an argument that the higher ranked league should take priority.

If both can't qualify I'd really be pushing for Lyon's removal because Palace are theoretically ranked higher than 6th place Villa and unless the rules have since changed, there's precedent for it with Wigan.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Absolutely but I have asserted on more than one occasion that I had a sense of foreboding about the outcome.
Should the decision to demote us to the Conference League not be overturned, there will not only be significant financial ramifications but I fear implications apropos the retention and acquisition of players.

I said from the off, it was a Palace mistake at board level, and was ridiculed and offensively abused by est1905, the buck stops with Parish, a man i think has done brilliantly, but on this occasion has dropped the ball by assuming and not clarifying. but the Conference league we can win, and progress, its, for me, not all doom and gloom.

 

[palace chick]

Absolutely but I have asserted on more than one occasion that I had a sense of foreboding about the outcome.
Should the decision to demote us to the Conference League not be overturned, there will not only be significant financial ramifications but I fear implications apropos the retention and acquisition of players.

And not just players, we could easily lose our manager over this if a team from higher up have qualified for a stronger European competition?

 

[Jaha]

I was completely incensed last night after hearing the news. I listened to all of Textor’s interview on talkSPORT the other day and feared the worst, after listening to him take cheap shots at Parish and taking the opportunity to swing his dick around. Now having heard the fact that UEFA have actually decided to make a show of plucky Palace, I’m even more annoyed than I thought I would be.

This sport captivates millions and I actually don’t think it deserves our attention anymore. City, Forrest, Lyon, have all broken rules. Lyon got relegated from the French Ligue, which would have taken some doing with how corrupt that league is, and somehow, they are in the competition over us, who has stuck to the rules religiously.

We haven’t even breached the rules. Textor is clearly a complete tool, so I doubt they would have let him anywhere near a decision. He should stick to Brazilian football as he’s clearly cocking it up elsewhere.

I hope that common sense prevails and this barrage of rules and regulations subside but I’m not holding out hope. Even if we do make it in, our preparations, our pursuit of taking this club to the next level has been hampered. Things like this don’t come around for teams like ours very often and they have the audacity to kick us out for a fictitious formality.

When is the protest?

 

[Willo]

And not just players, we could easily lose our manager over this if a team from higher up have qualified for a stronger European competition?

Should the decision to demote us to the Conference League be upheld, some clubs might be emboldened believing this gives them a greater chance of securing the services of Oliver Glasner.
'Penny for the thoughts' of our manager.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I said from the off, it was a Palace mistake at board level, and was ridiculed and offensively abused by est1905, the buck stops with Parish, a man i think has done brilliantly, but on this occasion has dropped the ball by assuming and not clarifying. but the Conference league we can win, and progress, its, for me, not all doom and gloom.

How can it be a mistake involving Parish?

Textor was a shareholder and Director. He wasn’t controlled by Parish so couldn’t be forced to do anything. The buck doesn’t just stop with Textor. It was his alone.

Textor had been trying to sell his shares for 2 years because Parish wouldn’t accept a multi club arrangement. The very thing we are now accused of. So I don’t suppose it occurred to him, or anyone else, that there was a need to do anything to deal with a situation that didn’t exist.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I said from the off, it was a Palace mistake at board level, and was ridiculed and offensively abused by est1905, the buck stops with Parish, a man i think has done brilliantly, but on this occasion has dropped the ball by assuming and not clarifying. but the Conference league we can win, and progress, its, for me, not all doom and gloom.

Sorry, I have to disagree as I think Palace have been punished for their own successful ability to set the club's ownership and shareholding correctly to avoid exactly this scenario; UEFA don't like it because we have outwitted them.
1. Lyon provisionally relegated in November 2024
2. June 2025 relegation confirmed
3. July 2025 relegation overturned on appeal

Textor would have known in March that Lyon were in a tricky situation with 400 million in debt and this together with the Palace structure would not have necessitated any action. He was trying to sell his stake in Palace and realised that Lyon were in breach of UEFA's financial stability rules, so he probably thought that Lyon were stuffed at this stage. So, if anybody is at fault it is Textor.

In addition, we are talking about Textor putting his Palace shares into a blind trust to avoid a problem, but why couldn't he put his Lyon shares into one as he wasn't trying to sell those at the time?

I genuinely think that the Board thought they were ok and I think the CAS will think so too.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Spurs fan coming in peace. I've got a lot of love for European football so have huge sympathies for Palace potentially not getting the rewards their season deserves.

I imagine the appeal will largely revolve around Textor's involvement but I think Palace should at least try and make the argument on another front too.

There is precedent that the FA Cup in England has been considered more worthy than league placing in the past.
Wigan's FA Cup win forced 5th placed Tottenham in to a qualifying round because Wigan were ranked higher: 2013–14 UEFA Europa League - Wikipedia

I'm pretty sure there have been other examples where scheduling conflicts have given favourability to the FA Cup winners over English clubs league position.

Really, Palace should be arguing that they've qualified as England's sixth best club which is equal to Lyon. Their 12th place finish isn't the criteria they've qualified on so shouldn't be relevant.

I don't know how UEFA would resolve two clubs that are both equivalent to 6th but surely in this football world that favours the elite there's an argument that the higher ranked league should take priority.

If both can't qualify I'd really be pushing for Lyon's removal because Palace are theoretically ranked higher than 6th place Villa and unless the rules have since changed, there's precedent for it with Wigan.

Dude, thanks for your kind words. If the FA Cup is to be considered a higher ranking then it is up to The FA to say so but they have been suspiciously quiet so far. Probably don't want to be taking sides against the owner of Notts Forest (who despite having no influence runs onto the pitch to remonstrate with Nuno - has he been arrested yet for pitch invasion?!)

 

[French eagle]

Spurs fan coming in peace. I've got a lot of love for European football so have huge sympathies for Palace potentially not getting the rewards their season deserves.

I imagine the appeal will largely revolve around Textor's involvement but I think Palace should at least try and make the argument on another front too.

There is precedent that the FA Cup in England has been considered more worthy than league placing in the past.
Wigan's FA Cup win forced 5th placed Tottenham in to a qualifying round because Wigan were ranked higher: 2013–14 UEFA Europa League - Wikipedia

I'm pretty sure there have been other examples where scheduling conflicts have given favourability to the FA Cup winners over English clubs league position.

Really, Palace should be arguing that they've qualified as England's sixth best club which is equal to Lyon. Their 12th place finish isn't the criteria they've qualified on so shouldn't be relevant.

I don't know how UEFA would resolve two clubs that are both equivalent to 6th but surely in this football world that favours the elite there's an argument that the higher ranked league should take priority.

If both can't qualify I'd really be pushing for Lyon's removal because Palace are theoretically ranked higher than 6th place Villa and unless the rules have since changed, there's precedent for it with Wigan.

Thanks for coming on Jason. Your input is much appreciated. Cheers.

 

[NEILLO]

I said from the off, it was a Palace mistake at board level, and was ridiculed and offensively abused by est1905, the buck stops with Parish, a man i think has done brilliantly, but on this occasion has dropped the ball by assuming and not clarifying. but the Conference league we can win, and progress, its, for me, not all doom and gloom.

Lanzo - I ask you the same question - if you are Steve Parish, you’ve read the email in January or February, what do you do next ?

 

[Sportyteacher]

Genuine direction that both club and fans SHOULD take and that is to write to and lobby for The Sports Minister to get involved given that this matter does fall into her professional remit and that she can take the issue to UEFA: Stephanie Peacock MP

Contact details: https://members.parliament.uk/member/4607/contact

Regional MPs have admirably made their position publicly clear and very promptly:

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Dropping Palace down makes no sense.

Unless they have changed it you could compete in Europa and if you get knocked out at a stage you drop down to conf meaning its possible Palace could meet them in there.

Not any more. They changed the rules.

Why Champions League Teams no Longer Drop Into the Europa League Explained

Man Utd and Tottenham haven't had to face any UCL giants this season 👀

www.givemesport.com

 

[eaglesdare]

From Steve bowett

 

[chris123]

Sorry, I have to disagree as I think Palace have been punished for their own successful ability to set the club's ownership and shareholding correctly to avoid exactly this scenario; UEFA don't like it because we have outwitted them.
1. Lyon provisionally relegated in November 2024
2. June 2025 relegation confirmed
3. July 2025 relegation overturned on appeal

Textor would have known in March that Lyon were in a tricky situation with 400 million in debt and this together with the Palace structure would not have necessitated any action. He was trying to sell his stake in Palace and realised that Lyon were in breach of UEFA's financial stability rules, so he probably thought that Lyon were stuffed at this stage. So, if anybody is at fault it is Textor.

In addition, we are talking about Textor putting his Palace shares into a blind trust to avoid a problem, but why couldn't he put his Lyon shares into one as he wasn't trying to sell those at the time?

I genuinely think that the Board thought they were ok and I think the CAS will think so too.

Trusts do not exist in French law.

 

[Painter]

So let’s put you in Steve Parish’s shoes.
It’s January or February, you choose.
You’ve read the UEFA email

What do you do next ?

Ask Textor to put his shares up for sale and leave the club, which was in process anyway. This blind trust nonsense, it doesnt take a day to complete, my guess is weeks. So in reality you needed to start in January before the FA Cup 3rd round, just in case you won a trophy you have never won before.
Blind trusts are just a smokescreen like a shell company, its all rigged in favour of the bigger clubs, end of.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Trusts do not exist in French law.

Not trustworthy.

 

[Willo]

From Steve bowett

Jolly well done Steve Browett.
I garland your comments with approbation.