Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

From Parish’s interview it appears that the club are hoping for an intervention to overturn the decision before deciding upon an appeal.
He describes an appeal as an ‘option’ , but would prefer an intervention presumably from the head of UEFA, so I suspect the club will be lobbying him.

The more I read about it the more absurd the situation seems.
UEFA punish one of the most passionate advocates against multi club ownership ….for the crime of multi club ownership.
 
Eaglecoops said:
You obviously also missed the bit where the email was sent to info@CrystalPalace rather than to individual owners and could you explain why requesting an extension is acceptable when the date was March. Forest according to numerous articles didn’t submit until April, but that is apparently ok because they were thinking about doing it in March.

You just love to bash Parish which is not a great look. Being on the Forest side of this argument does not endear you to Palace fans, however you do like to be contrary so perhaps that’s understandable.
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I think Parish is probably the best thing that ever happened to Palace, he has done a remarkable job, but imo he, as the man who makes the decisions, has made a mistake by not replying to the email for clarification, like Forest did, it is not something I am pleased about, although I think we can win the Conference League with the squad we have and Esse, Franca etc have another year to develop and then we would be in a position to enter the Europa league
 
mtp1958 said:
Lanzo why are you so negative , the rule is unworkable , badly worded , E.G we know your innocent but the opening sentence says your guilty , there for the rest of the rule doesn't count .
well it does and we have not broken any other part of that rule , than the opening line , if thats the case no european comp can take place as alot of clubs have owners , who own other clubs , blind trust is a fraudulent way to get around the rules , that encourage multi club ownership so is contradicts all of the rule , rules are there tobe challenged and Palace will be going to CAS
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I am not negative, I hope we appeal and are reinstated, but I think that will only happen if UEFA change the original decision themselves, imo Parish probably thinks we won’t win, I hope we gain our Europa League place we deserve.
 
Seems to me an appeal would have to be on the basis of “we might have broken the rules, but we don’t agree with them and we didn’t know what they were anyway”. Not sure how successful that would be and Parish knows this. We’re all banking on pointing out that the other sides that have benefited - Forest & Lyon - have broken rules themselves so if they’re allowed in why aren’t we? Seems a bit tenuous
 
Reading between the lines of the UEFA decision it feels to me they are encouraging Palace to take the issue to CAS.

I wonder if they expect, and even hope, that their decision is overturned with the recommendation that their rules be rewritten as they aren’t fit for purpose.

It seems to me they are very embarrassed and looking for a way out that doesn’t involve them in having to break their own rules with all the potential legal implications that could arise.

Deliberately delaying the decision until the Lyon relegation appeal was heard (the French were never going to take them out of the competition) lends support to the idea that they have sympathy for our position but are being restrained by their own rules.

CAS can hear cases as an emergency, which this clearly is. So it could be done in a day or two.
 
Davepalace707 said:
Seems to me an appeal would have to be on the basis of “we might have broken the rules, but we don’t agree with them and we didn’t know what they were anyway”. Not sure how successful that would be and Parish knows this. We’re all banking on pointing out that the other sides that have benefited - Forest & Lyon - have broken rules themselves so if they’re allowed in why aren’t we? Seems a bit tenuous
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theres alot more to it than that , if it was yes pointless going CAS , as been said a number of times the rule has more holes in it than a pin cushion
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
I think Parish is probably the best thing that ever happened to Palace, he has done a remarkable job, but imo he, as the man who makes the decisions, has made a mistake by not replying to the email for clarification, like Forest did, it is not something I am pleased about, although I think we can win the Conference League with the squad we have and Esse, Franca etc have another year to develop and then we would be in a position to enter the Europa league
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I think this is a brilliant summary of where we are. Interesting listening to someone highly respected like Henry Winter who is basically saying that the ownership cocked up despite the fact that he has total sympathy for both fans & players.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Reading between the lines of the UEFA decision it feels to me they are encouraging Palace to take the issue to CAS.

I wonder if they expect, and even hope, that their decision is overturned with the recommendation that their rules be rewritten as they aren’t fit for purpose.

It seems to me they are very embarrassed and looking for a way out that doesn’t involve them in having to break their own rules with all the potential legal implications that could arise.

Deliberately delaying the decision until the Lyon relegation appeal was heard (the French were never going to take them out of the competition) lends support to the idea that they have sympathy for our position but are being restrained by their own rules.

CAS can hear cases as an emergency, which this clearly is. So it could be done in a day or two.
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I think that's exactly what's happening
 
gladallover2 said:
I think this is a brilliant summary of where we are. Interesting listening to someone highly respected like Henry Winter who is basically saying that the ownership cocked up despite the fact that he has total sympathy for both fans & players.
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or put another way ....Crystal Palace fans are the ones to suffer because their club and owners have been guilty of naivety, of not doing what was needed by a certain date in order to pretend there is no ‘ownership’ of more than one club.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Reading between the lines of the UEFA decision it feels to me they are encouraging Palace to take the issue to CAS.

I wonder if they expect, and even hope, that their decision is overturned with the recommendation that their rules be rewritten as they aren’t fit for purpose.

It seems to me they are very embarrassed and looking for a way out that doesn’t involve them in having to break their own rules with all the potential legal implications that could arise.

Deliberately delaying the decision until the Lyon relegation appeal was heard (the French were never going to take them out of the competition) lends support to the idea that they have sympathy for our position but are being restrained by their own rules.

CAS can hear cases as an emergency, which this clearly is. So it could be done in a day or two.
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I agree and hope you are correct. My concern is how Maranakis has manufactured “ friendships” from some of the most influential people in football
 
Gary St.Andrews said:
Now there is a clearer picture, not the one we hoped for. We can sit back and let the FA take the reins and get us back up to a Europa spot! Oh hang FA, FA where the hell are you, time to do your stuff!
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Absolutely but I have asserted on more than one occasion that I had a sense of foreboding about the outcome.
Should the decision to demote us to the Conference League not be overturned, there will not only be significant financial ramifications but I fear implications apropos the retention and acquisition of players.
 
For the French FA to have taken the decision to relegate Lyon there must have been grounds and substantive ones. On appeal this was reversed and without any alternative discipline, basically business as usual. Surely, a points deduction should have been applied?
Had this happened then that would have put them out of the European places.
It stinks!!
 
Let's assume that UEFA gave us proper notification and the club tried to act on it.

The point that Parish makes is that we couldn't compel Textor to put the shares into a blind trust in any event.

The rules in the current form are full of holes.
Palace get caught (erroneously in my view, or certainly unfairly) while clubs who are far more culpable escape without sanction.

The question is whether UEFA see Palace as an easy target to exercise their muscle, or whether they act faĺrly and do the right thing.
 
mtp1958 said:
do you mean the blind trust route , because thats what is wrong with the rule
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Trusts are not legally recognised in lots of countries something I have no knowledge of, but Google drew me to the Hague Convention to which we are a signatory. Only Italy and Switzerland in Europe as far as I can see are also signed up. My point is if so many countries don't even recognise the legal existence of Trusts, how does this actually work in fairness to everyone?
 
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