Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Vaibow]

And my tuppence worth is: In the interests of football, we’ll win at the CAS, but in the interests of UEFA’s laws, Forest will will succeed with their counter appeal, and thereby win the legal argument and qualify for the Europa League, and Brighton will get the Conference League. Who said life is fair.

Surely the prem can step in and have a chat with forest and say it is not in their best interests to attack cpfc this way... like come on, this looks an extremely low shot to take... they didn't qualify for Europe, it's that simple... had they won the fa cup... ok... different story, they wouldn't even be appealing... had they even played us in final and lost to us, ok you can argue next in line... but this completely devalues the FA cup if a large part of the lure is taken away because another club says it's not fair..

 

[ASCPFC]

Surely the prem can step in and have a chat with forest and say it is not in their best interests to attack cpfc this way... like come on, this looks an extremely low shot to take... they didn't qualify for Europe, it's that simple... had they won the fa cup... ok... different story, they wouldn't even be appealing... had they even played us in final and lost to us, ok you can argue next in line... but this completely devalues the FA cup if a large part of the lure is taken away because another club says it's not fair..

The Premier League will probably be happy to take the European place away from the FA Cup. They might try to do it permanently.

 

[Painter]

Surely the prem can step in and have a chat with forest and say it is not in their best interests to attack cpfc this way... like come on, this looks an extremely low shot to take... they didn't qualify for Europe, it's that simple... had they won the fa cup... ok... different story, they wouldn't even be appealing... had they even played us in final and lost to us, ok you can argue next in line... but this completely devalues the FA cup if a large part of the lure is taken away because another club says it's not fair..

Why would the Premier League get involved, its of no interest or any benefit to them ?

 

[Dogburger]

Was he not? I was at the selhurst game, but can’t remember if el tel was there or not. All I remember was the 0-2 score and Hayden Mullins debut possibly? Other than that it’s a blur

He was there , I was sitting about ten feet away from him .And yes El Tel gave debut's to Mullins and the much under-rated Steve Thomson .
I think after our relegation the fantasist Goldberg just wanted to give the fans something without realising the competition started the week we were due back for pre season .

 

[Part Time James]

He was there , I was sitting about ten feet away from him .And yes El Tel gave debut's to Mullins and the much under-rated Steve Thomson .
I think after our relegation the fantasist Goldberg just wanted to give the fans something without realising the competition started the week we were due back for pre season .

God, Steve Thomson, there's a name! I have to admit I'd forgotten him!

 

[Spiderman]

youre also forgetting the Anglo Italian cup.
( i think that was its name ?)
70s ?

Didn’t we win in the San Siro? I remember going to a home game against Hearts, who brought a good following

 

[Dogburger]

This is getting pretty daft now.

It got daft the moment someone at UEFA came to the wrong conclusion that Palace were part of a Multi club ownership under Textor . Because that is what they appear to be saying .

Its all certainly taken the gloss off our European tour even if it does happen and must have ruined our preparations for it before its even begun . Just not good enough .

 

[Dogburger]

Didn’t we win in the San Siro? I remember going to a home game against Hearts, who brought a good following

We did and became the first English side to do so .

Hearts ? That was the Anglo Scottish (texaco) cup 72-73 which is a good call ,so that 3 European tours we have been on
Anglo Italian
Texaco cup
Inter toto

Were old hands at this game

 

[Jason Smith]

Surely the prem can step in and have a chat with forest and say it is not in their best interests to attack cpfc this way... like come on, this looks an extremely low shot to take... they didn't qualify for Europe, it's that simple... had they won the fa cup... ok... different story, they wouldn't even be appealing... had they even played us in final and lost to us, ok you can argue next in line... but this completely devalues the FA cup if a large part of the lure is taken away because another club says it's not fair..

The other big factor will be public opinion. I think Marinakis will probably step back from the brink, especially if persons of influence within Forest force him to walk away.

 

[mileend]

I feel that the UEFA position is that on the 1st March JT had a 45% shareholding in Palace which makes him a person of significant control (regardless of any boardroom voting rights agreement- documented or otherwise) which means that alongside his majority shareholder position at Lyon, both teams couldn't play in the same Europa League tournament, so on that point I believe we are out - I also believe that the only reason it has not publicly been announced is because of the Lyon appeal process, UEFA don't want to kick us out of the Europa League & then have to suffer the embarrassment of inviting us back again if / when the Lyon appeal fails.

Just my tuppence worth -

'significant control' is not the standard
'decisive control' is the standard
Textor did not have that.

Of course as a Director he could make proposals. That is 'significant'. But he couldn't force through his proposals having only 25% voting rights. In the event of a tie then Steve Parish had the casting vote. Therefore Parish had decisive control.

There are different types of shares you can hold in a company. They don't give the same benefits or risks. It's basic stuff in corporate set ups. The actual percentage of ownership can be very different to the ultimate decision making.

Simply put, there is no case to answer.

We were not part of a MCO and Textor did not have decisive control

These 100+ pages are about the intricacies of badly drawn up and unfair UEFA rules and timing, their prejudices against certain types of individuals and clubs and total incompetence by UEFA in failing to recognise the problems in their change of rules to March as the deadline in comparison to the meaningless loopholes they created to allow business as usual to the 'big' regular European competition clubs.

The only issue is how UEFA come to the right decision without making themselves look totally unfit as an organisation.

 

[mountaineagle]

At last...this sorry saga might progress soon.
BBC Reporting that the Lyon appeal starts tomorrow. The appeal has been brought forward! Crystal Palace step closer to knowing Europa League status as Lyon appeal begins

 

[NEILLO]

'significant control' is not the standard
'decisive control' is the standard
Textor did not have that.

Of course as a Director he could make proposals. That is 'significant'. But he couldn't force through his proposals having only 25% voting rights. In the event of a tie then Steve Parish had the casting vote. Therefore Parish had decisive control.

There are different types of shares you can hold in a company. They don't give the same benefits or risks. It's basic stuff in corporate set ups. The actual percentage of ownership can be very different to the ultimate decision making.

Simply put, there is no case to answer.

We were not part of a MCO and Textor did not have decisive control

These 100+ pages are about the intricacies of badly drawn up and unfair UEFA rules and timing, their prejudices against certain types of individuals and clubs and total incompetence by UEFA in failing to recognise the problems in their change of rules to March as the deadline in comparison to the meaningless loopholes they created to allow business as usual to the 'big' regular European competition clubs.

The only issue is how UEFA come to the right decision without making themselves look totally unfit as an organisation.

You’re not actually saying anything new that hasn’t already been written on these 100+ pages !

I think the overwhelming majority on here agree about the level of influence Textor had.

I do disagree with your last paragraph though. If, as you put it, there is no case to answer then why haven’t UEFA already passed judgement ? They have let their own deadline of end of June pass seemingly in the hope that the French FA save them from making a decision.

And I think it’s too late in terms of UEFA’s reputation. This issue has highlighted just how unfit for purpose their rules are. It’s highly likely they will now receive legal challenge should Palace be excluded . And that will shine further light on their dubious operations and muddled decision making

 

[mileend]

and I haven't posted since about 100 pages
but if others still post incorrect information, in this case, about 'significant', you need to correct it - otherwise that becomes the defining narrative
no one is interested in what was stated 50, 80 or 100 pages ago

 

[BelfastEagle]

It’s amusing the bbc state “However if a verdict is reached on Wednesday, Uefa says it is unlikely to reach its own decision until the end of the week”.

Let’s try and drag this out as long as possible it appears….gives the press with something to write about ?

If Lyon lose the appeal what “decision” is it that UEFA need to make exactly ?

 

[Spindle]

Was he not? I was at the selhurst game, but can’t remember if el tel was there or not. All I remember was the 0-2 score and Hayden Mullins debut possibly? Other than that it’s a blur

Nope, he didn't bother to come to the game iirc. I was there and the Turks in the Whitehorse lane end were impressive

 

[Spindle]

He was there , I was sitting about ten feet away from him .And yes El Tel gave debut's to Mullins and the much under-rated Steve Thomson .
I think after our relegation the fantasist Goldberg just wanted to give the fans something without realising the competition started the week we were due back for pre season .

Honestly I was certain he wasn't. I wonder what game I was thinking of then because there was deffo one he didn't bother with.

Still a s*** bag though

 

[Spindle]

Didn’t we win in the San Siro? I remember going to a home game against Hearts, who brought a good following

Yes. And the weeds last year sang about never seeing Palace in Milan, only to be passed that headline lol

 

[Vaibow]

Why would the Premier League get involved, its of no interest or any benefit to them ?

That one club is publicly being dick to another??

 

[Spiderman]

Another Textor masterclass! How long before everything he is involved in goes tits up?

 

[Badger11]

I see Lyon are having a fire sale of their players, what's really annoying is that Parish has probably decided (rightly) we can't go near the club because of this UEFA stuff.

So other clubs are benefiting whilst we have to avoid it.

Thanks Textor.