Israel v Iran

[PalazioVecchio]

I have no time for religious fanaticism of any sort or identifying one's self with a religion, but if I'm forced to choose between Islam and Judaism, I know who I'm going with.

i do not recall the UK being bludgeoned by any Jewish Rape gangs or any kids concerts in Manchester getting bombed by Jewish fanatics.

I would suggest all those Nigels & Karens who wave Palestine Flags on our streets should grow up. Maybe spend a week in a UK jail to learn a few truths about religious fundamentalism.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

i do not recall the UK being bludgeoned by any Jewish Rape gangs or any kids concerts in Manchester getting bombed by Jewish fanatics.

I would suggest all those Nigels & Karens who wave Palestine Flags on our streets should grow up. Maybe spend a week in a UK jail to learn a few truths about religious fundamentalism.

These people suffer from something akin to Stockholm syndrome.

They are sheep to the slaughter and loving it.

 

[Spindle]

Where has anyone on this site said this?

And who has expressed actual antisemitism?

Very young kids are supposed to require 15 repetitions before something truly sinks in. Thus, for the 11th time:

You can object to the actions of the current Israeli government without attacking Judaism or Israel.

There, just 4 more to go, and then maybe..?

But you defended the Iranian regime too, denying their involvements in global terrorism.

 

[Spindle]

Israel is no better than any other foreign nation and the absurd levels of protection it gets from criticism is pretty weird.

If I can slag off my own sodding nation I can slag off Israel.....no one calls me anti anglo because I slag off Labour or Tories or even Reform.

See this is what is different, you give them all some s***. Others are categorised because they only slag one side, and defend the other with a mix of denial and ignorance.

 

[HKOwen]

I get your point and we have touched on this before. Like it or not, Israel is newsworthy. Some endless, brutal civil war in Bum F**k Nowhere Land is not.

There are a number of reasons for this, not least the far-reaching consequences and the fact that people here largely see people there as more like us (but without the Imperial guilt - South Africa).

It is at least academically interesting that this site is largely dominated by those who are of nationalist, populist, far right persuasion (at least from me). 100 years ago you would have been antisemites to a man. Now, you largely and blindly back a Jewish state and label any critics of anything it does as "Jew haters". Is this because you and Israel are now united behind a hatred of one new enemy. Islam.

Nonsense IMO, I have no respect for any of your views on this topic, or much else political. More nonsense " academically interesting " . You seem to think you are some kind of pseudo intellectual, risible.

When I see something I consider Jew Hate ( or any other form of race/religous hate ) I will say so, anti semitism is too polite, like calling child rape gangs grooming gangs.

If someone hates Jews, supports Hamas and wants the destruction of Israel fine, but don't try and hide behind semantics.

This manifests itself in many ways, treating Hamas and Israel as equivalent entities is one fave method.

Just to repeat, your opinion is worthless to me so type whatever pleases you

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You criticise that government far more than any other. Incredible double standard.

You have also said the Jews should have been relocated to the USA. Imagine saying Armenians should have had a state in Texas instead of Armenia after the genocide?

These are still political criticism and have nothing to do with any criticism of the religion. That I am opposed to Zionism does not make me anti-semetic.

 

[Stirlingsays]

See this is what is different, you give them all some s***. Others are categorised because they only slag one side, and defend the other with a mix of denial and ignorance.

Give em all a slagging, most of them are leading their nations in decline.....and not just economically.

 

[Stirlingsays]

imagine if Trump's bombers were returning to the US and passing over UK airspace ? would the Donald be tempted to give a little present to the BBC HQ ? or Sadiq's offices that used to fly a Trump balloon ?

Hopefully it would be manure.

I don't actually want to kill the feckers.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

See this is what is different, you give them all some s***. Others are categorised because they only slag one side, and defend the other with a mix of denial and ignorance.

Absolutely bottled it 🤣

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Nonsense IMO, I have no respect for any of your views on this topic, or much else political. More nonsense " academically interesting " . You seem to think you are some kind of pseudo intellectual, risible.

When I see something I consider Jew Hate ( or any other form of race/religous hate ) I will say so, anti semitism is too polite, like calling child rape gangs grooming gangs.

If someone hates Jews, supports Hamas and wants the destruction of Israel fine, but don't try and hide behind semantics.

This manifests itself in many ways, treating Hamas and Israel as equivalent entities is one fave method.

Just to repeat, your opinion is worthless to me so type whatever pleases you

No, it's when you're once again getting your arse handed to you and have to resort to trolling. It's incredibly transparent.

I note you've never had a word to say to Stirling about his views on Israel, despite him being very forthcoming in what he thinks... it does make you wonder.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Absolutely bottled it 🤣

I think if you articulated Israel's perspective and could see its fears you might get a bit more consideration for your views.

You can be against what's happening but also understand why it's happening, many Jews would agree with being against the choices made, even some Zionists.

The point is what is the best outcome for Israel.....I've never believed the two state solution to be possible. For me it has to be a one state solution....now there are many variations on how that could happen....it doesn't have to mean flattening the place and making it unlivable.

But if it's just going to be 'Israel = evil' you can see how that's going to pack you some heat.

Israel for all its faults is western and it matters to many in the west and not just Jews.

Iran use to be western.....wanting Persia back isn't a sin either.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think if you articulated Israel's perspective and could see its fears you might get a bit more consideration for your views.

You can be against what's happening but also understand why it's happening, many Jews would agree with that.

The point is what is the best outcome for Israel.....I've never believed the two state solution to be possible. For me it has to be a one state solution....now there are many variations on how that could happen.

But if it's just going to be 'Israel = evil' you can see how that's going to pack you some heat.

Israel for all its faults is western and it matters to many in the west and not just Jews.

I understand precisely why it's happening, but that doesn't mean I have to support it - that Israel has fears does not make them justified in their actions.

But I'm not going round the houses on the whole topic again - I just wanted to highlight the hilarious double standard.

 

[georgenorman]

These are still political criticism and have nothing to do with any criticism of the religion. That I am opposed to Zionism does not make me anti-semetic.

Surely you have a Jewish neigbour in Sesame Street?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

It's all so nuanced and fragile. And yet the biggest stick is going to win. You can see why Trump is so frustrated.
Kenny Everett came close to a solution 🙂

 

[eaglesdare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937469700960661603

And he's right 😅

 

[HKOwen]

No, it's when you're once again getting your arse handed to you and have to resort to trolling. It's incredibly transparent.

I note you've never had a word to say to Stirling about his views on Israel, despite him being very forthcoming in what he thinks... it does make you wonder.

No respect for your views either so type away

 

[steeleye20]

'Iranians celebrate Israel/USA shameful defeat'.

It looks fairly intact there.

Yet another dumb military misadventure, words like 'western' and intelligence' should not be in the same sentence.

😎

 

[Stirlingsays]

'Iranians celebrate Israel/USA shameful defeat'.

It looks fairly intact there.

Yet another dumb military misadventure, words like 'western' and intelligence' should not be in the same sentence.

😎

Yes, I never regarded this 'war' as a sensible course of action and of course their nuclear capacity is unlikely to have been 'obliterated' as Trump claimed.

It will take Iran some time to stabilise, so I wouldn't be so sure that change won't happen in Iran.....whether what happens is good for them or us will yet been seen.

Trump will have made more enemies on both sides here....Israeli and Iranian.

I predict more attempts on him.

Probably using disposable Manchurian candidates.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

'Iranians celebrate Israel/USA shameful defeat'.

It looks fairly intact there.

Yet another dumb military misadventure, words like 'western' and intelligence' should not be in the same sentence.

😎

So if they destroy civilian areas and topple governments they are in the wrong, and if they don't, they are also wrong.

Give it a rest.

 

[steeleye20]

So if they destroy civilian areas and topple governments they are in the wrong, and if they don't, they are also wrong.

Give it a rest.

Iran has a right to defend itself.