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Israel v Hamas

eaglesdare said:
The UN’s 90% figure on Gaza’s residential buildings is unverified by independent sources due to restricted access as you have stated. So we can't verify this.

If it were true then context must given. Hamas’s tactic of embedding military assets in civilian areas complicates strikes and causes damage.

Maybe we can ask Hamas politely to move their base of operations into the open. Or better yet surrender and give up the rest of the hostages. That way there would be no excuse for Israel to continue.
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The UN is partisan, let's ask the BBC, oh hang on.

If 90% is correct then around 2 million people would be in tents, that would be all over the anti Israel media, and there's no sign of it.
 
eaglesdare said:
The UN’s 90% figure on Gaza’s residential buildings is unverified by independent sources due to restricted access as you have stated. So we can't verify this.

If it were true then context must given. Hamas’s tactic of embedding military assets in civilian areas complicates strikes and causes damage.

Maybe we can ask Hamas politely to move their base of operations into the open. Or better yet surrender and give up the rest of the hostages. That way there would be no excuse for Israel to continue.
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Why is there restricted access do you think? Why would a law-abiding nation acting in self-defence ensure that independent verification is impossible?

Yep, Hamas must have embedded 'military assets' in 90% of the residential buildings.

Even if that were true, international law doesn't give you carte blanche to then blow up neighbourhoods, but what does a few more civilian deaths matter to the good guys, aye?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Why is there restricted access do you think? Why would a law-abiding nation acting in self-defence ensure that independent verification is impossible?

Yep, Hamas must have embedded 'military assets' in 90% of the residential buildings.

Even if that were true, international law doesn't give you carte blanche to then blow up neighbourhoods, but what does a few more civilian deaths matter to the good guys, aye?
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Hamas is in breach of international law if it hides fighters or weapons among the civilian population under the Geneva Conventions. Other breaches include: launching attacks from populated areas and using civilians to deter enemy attacks.
 
Penge Eagle said:
The IDF have to destroy remaining buildings due to Hamas leaving them boobytrapped.

Hamas hide operatives and weapons in every other residential building.
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Do you guys seriously buy this guff..?

Obviously we don't need evidence for that, or any independent verification - the UN are so biased and so unreliable, but the IDF should be believed at every turn with their exemplary track record of telling the truth.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Why is there restricted access do you think? Why would a law-abiding nation acting in self-defence ensure that independent verification is impossible?

Yep, Hamas must have embedded 'military assets' in 90% of the residential buildings.

Even if that were true, international law doesn't give you carte blanche to then blow up neighbourhoods, but what does a few more civilian deaths matter to the good guys, aye?
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Israel restricts access to Gaza for security and for the history of Hamas targeting journalists.

The UN’s 90% residential damage claim lacks a specific source and ignores Hamas tactic of embedding bombs and tunnels in civilian areas.

International law allows targeting military assets. Hamas using human shield tactics inflate civilian casualties.
 
eaglesdare said:
Israel restricts access to Gaza for security and for the history of Hamas targeting journalists.

The UN’s 90% residential damage claim lacks a specific source and ignores Hamas tactic of embedding bombs and tunnels in civilian areas.

International law allows targeting military assets. Hamas using human shield tactics inflate civilian casualties.
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Ah, of course - because Hamas. This is the deadliest conflict for journalists this century, with over 100 journalists killed by the IDF. It's reassuring to know they are so concerned with the safety of journalists and protecting them from the bad guys.

International law certainly does not allow targeting military assets at any cost - it explicitly does not permit that.
 
Penge Eagle said:
Hamas is not a signatory but they are still bound by international law like all other non-state actors.
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Ok, so we're both accepting the premise that breaching international law is a bad thing...

Obviously the only logical extension of that acceptance is to condemn both Israel and Hamas for repeatedly doing so, which I am happy to do unequivocally. Are you?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Ah, of course - because Hamas. This is the deadliest conflict for journalists this century, with over 100 journalists killed by the IDF. It's reassuring to know they are so concerned with the safety of journalists.

International law certainly does not allow targeting military assets at any cost - it explicitly does not permit that.
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The claim of 100 journalists killed by the IDF is unverified by independent sources. Many figures come from Hamas controlled Gaza Health Ministry.

International law permits targeting military assets. Israels strikes are aimed at Hamas bases, tunnels and strongholds.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Ok, so we're both accepting the premise that breaching international law is a bad thing...

Obviously the only logical extension of that acceptance is to condemn both Israel and Hamas for repeatedly doing so, which I am happy to do unequivocally. Are you?
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Yes but with a caveat. It is difficult for military forces like the IDF to avoid breaching international law, even when trying to act within its boundaries, due to the challenges of urban warfare. As we know, Gaza is incredibly densely populated.
 
eaglesdare said:
The claim of 100 journalists killed by the IDF is unverified by independent sources. Many figures come from Hamas controlled Gaza Health Ministry.

International law permits targeting military assets. Israels strikes are aimed at Hamas bases, tunnels and strongholds.
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Ah it's unverified - it's almost like the IDF don't want any of this verified and that's why they don't let anyone in.
 
eaglesdare said:
Israel restricts access to Gaza for security and not to block verification.
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There’s people on the US, Russian and Israeli government payrolls that don’t swallow and regurgitate half as much guff as you do, old boy.
 
Penge Eagle said:
I'm sorry but using videos of left-wing and anti-Israel Channel 4 News is unreliable.

Why are synagogues attacked across the world when things kick off in Gaza?
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If I said something like that I would quickly be told to listen to the arguments and not be concerned over which channel presents them.

Those videos are the genuine beliefs of well informed people. People who have personal reasons for being informed.

Synagogues being attacked by the ignorant doesn’t mean anything other than that there are some who are ignorant. It doesn’t change the fact that criticism of Israel is not anti semitic of itself.
 
Yosser, deze peacemaker, Yitzhak Rabin, is getting to close to peace,,we need to read ze final solution to deal wit dis traitor of Izrayel,,,abraham,,,get ze bullets!Already waitig Yosser, already waiting, and dont ever swear again,,that peaze word! Just trolling obvs!
 
We won the cup! said:
Yosser, deze peacemaker, Yitzhak Rabin, is getting to close to peace,,we need to read ze final solution to deal wit dis traitor of Izrayel,,,abraham,,,get ze bullets!Already waitig Yosser, already waiting, and dont ever swear again,,that peaze word! Just trolling obvs!
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Trolling your spell checker anyway.
 
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