Israel v Hamas

[Penge Eagle]

Says basic logic.

I have no idea why people keep referencing a 'solution' - I'm suggesting Israel should defend its borders and stop committing war crimes.

Genocide and mass displacement of people is certainly not the solution.

OK that's Israel. What do you suggest Hamas do?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

OK that's Israel. What do you suggest Hamas do?

Again to re-iterate the point that Israel is a democratic state, member of the UN, signatory of the Geneva Convention and wider IHL.

Hamas are a terrorist group.

So my expectations as to how the two conduct themselves is very, very different.

Hamas should obviously stop committing atrocities.

Israel are perfectly capable of defending themselves from Hamas without the need to kills tens of thousands of civilians.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Again to re-iterate the point that Israel is a democratic state, member of the UN, signatory of the Geneva Convention and wider IHL.

Hamas are a terrorist group.

So my expectations as to how the two conduct themselves is very, very different.

Hamas should obviously stop committing atrocities.

Israel are perfectly capable of defending themselves from Hamas without the need to kills tens of thousands of civilians.

Ah, so the onus is all on Israel and no accountability for Hamas. "Stop committing atrocities" is the best you can do? What a cop out.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Ah, so the onus is all on Israel and no accountability for Hamas. "Stop committing atrocities" is the best you can do? What a cop out.

For a third time, yes there is more onus on the state military to de-escalate and not commit war crimes.

Yes, I expect Israel to conduct themselves better than a terrorist organisation.

It's really not a complicated piece of logic to grasp.

 

[Penge Eagle]

For a third time, yes there is more onus on the state military to de-escalate and not commit war crimes.

Yes, I expect Israel to conduct themselves better than a terrorist organisation.

Utter nonsense.

 

[cryrst]

You can quibble over the civilian casualty and death numbers, a few thousand here, a hundred there, but we.ve all seen photographs of districts that have been levelled overnight by missile attacks and carpet bombing.
That kind of indiscriminate military action on civilian and UN 'safe' areas and hospitals is going to cause significant numbers of civilian deaths.
Add to that the withholding of food aid, medical supplies and the cutting off of water and electricity supplies , and you have genocide.

Meanwhile, significant numbers of Israeli's are thinking the same thing, and this seems to be under-reported.

"Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has fired the head of the nation's security service over its failure to anticipate the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas.
The Israeli cabinet met on Thursday evening to formally approve the early dismissal of Ronen Bar, who was appointed in October 2021 for a five-year term as the Shin Bet's chief.
Netanyahu announced his intention to sack Mr Bar in a video statement on Sunday, citing an "ongoing distrust" between the two men which he said had "grown over time".

The move sparked outrage and further inflamed anti-government demonstrations in Jerusalem, which saw thousands of Israelis join forces with protestors opposing Israel's renewed assault on Gaza." (BBC website 21.3.25)

Maybe if Hamas didn’t stash themselves and their equipment in hospitals they wouldn’t get targeted. Just saying !

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Maybe if Hamas didn’t stash themselves and their equipment in hospitals they wouldn’t get targeted. Just saying !

But they do.

Does that give Israel the right to ignore it or to take a more careful, nuanced approach?

I am no military strategist but there must be a way of isolating the hospitals and slowly squeezing out the terrorists without losing so many civilian lives.

 

[Glazier#1]

Utter nonsense.

Otherwise, what's the difference?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Interesting section on Iran during Tucker's interview with Trump's chief negotiator.

Trump making peace offers to Iran if they play ball, also in align with work he's doing with Russia.....who when it comes to Iran are a significant player.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903207340696014945

 

[Stirlingsays]

The media have largely been ignoring it but Israel has been taking more land in Syria of our supposedly friendly 'former IS rebels'.....ahem (funded) those b****** who have been killing Christians.

Syria is very weak and Russia are fully pulling out for now so if I were Israel this is a no brainer and exactly what I would be doing.

Still the double standards on territorial integrity within the political classes is pretty transparent for those who actually look.....the usual policy is to just keep quiet.

 

[Eagleman13]

The media have largely been ignoring it but Israel has been taking more land in Syria of our supposedly friendly 'former IS rebels'.....ahem (funded) those b****** who have been killing Christians.

Syria is very weak and Russia are fully pulling out for now so if I were Israel this is a no brainer and exactly what I would be doing.

Still the double standards on territorial integrity within the political classes is pretty transparent for those who actually look.....the usual policy is to just keep quiet.

This is all well & good, BUT, according to various posters on here, it's all about the 'thousands' of a certain demographic children that gets killed, according to them & that reliable 'Health Authority'

 

[cryrst]

This is all well & good, BUT, according to various posters on here, it's all about the 'thousands' of a certain demographic children that gets killed, according to them & that reliable 'Health Authority'

True and Stirling is one who has highlighted a lack of anger about Syrian and Yemeni Muslims being killed. Although Jews didn’t kill them so it clearly doesn’t cause the same anger and the lives are a more accurate count I would think. The Hamas health ministry does have a history of lying for a reaction;its part of their MO.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This is all well & good, BUT, according to various posters on here, it's all about the 'thousands' of a certain demographic children that gets killed, according to them & that reliable 'Health Authority'

Well, children are certainly dying as they are about half of the population. I don't go with the moral argument over what Israel are doing as a baby under rubble is a baby under rubble whatever the ethnicity. However, other than the humanitarian angle...and I care about that....why should I care about the borders over there I'm not an Arab.....It's an Arab/Israeli/US thing (though we know why the US are involved)..but at the end of the day this is a middle eastern issue.

Obviously Israel aren't going to be honest about a greater Israel but everyone knows that's the intent......If they don't clear out the Palestinians while they have the chance they never really will.

They are going to try and starve them out, because there just aren't enough conventional bombs to do the job......They will probably try to export them into southern Syria. From their perspective It's the obvious answer because Syria are going to be pretty weak for a year or two.

 

[steeleye20]

Israel surely has crossed a monstrous red line:-

Is the deafening silence from the government a sign of their complicity with surveillance flights over Gaza even during the ceasefire?

 

[Spindle]

Israel are perfectly capable of defending themselves from Hamas without the need to kills tens of thousands of civilians.

In your imagination.

 

[Spindle]

But they do.

Does that give Israel the right to ignore it or to take a more careful, nuanced approach?

I am no military strategist but there must be a way of isolating the hospitals and slowly squeezing out the terrorists without losing so many civilian lives.

Honestly I would say that the careful approach here IS a JDAM on target. Target destroyed, no IDF casualties.

Geneva convention allows it too iirc

 

[Stirlingsays]

Israel surely has crossed a monstrous red line:-

Is the deafening silence from the government a sign of their complicity with surveillance flights over Gaza even during the ceasefire?

Israel bought themselves out of red lines decades ago.

Kennedy and Nixon were the last US presidents who still had the will to act independently of Israeli interests.

The Palestinians are lunch.

 

[Penge Eagle]

The media have largely been ignoring it but Israel has been taking more land in Syria of our supposedly friendly 'former IS rebels'.....ahem (funded) those b****** who have been killing Christians.

Syria is very weak and Russia are fully pulling out for now so if I were Israel this is a no brainer and exactly what I would be doing.

Still the double standards on territorial integrity within the political classes is pretty transparent for those who actually look.....the usual policy is to just keep quiet.

Literally taking land? Or using it as a buffer zone while destroying military bases in order to protect their country from future attacks?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Literally taking land? Or using it as a buffer zone while destroying military bases in order to protect their country from future attacks?

I'm attacking you as a form of self defence?

Yeah, but anyone could use that.....Don't get me wrong, some of the extremists who were funded to overthrow Assad would love to attack Israel, especially since Israel has been bombing Syria for years now.

In terms of Mount Hermon, Israel would be fools to ever give that up willingly.

Israel have been gifted a huge opportunity in Syria and most people aren't aware that all their best units are there.

My point is that Israel is largely a law onto itself, which to me is the real world. But what I get annoyed about is that the media portray the myth that we should expect the world to operate within a laws based order......When in truth it's one rule for our friends and another for our enemies.

 

[HKOwen]

It is clear HAMAS has not been eradicated in Gaza, just look at the horrific scenes when hostages were handed over.

A lot more pest control needed.