Israel v Hamas

[CPFCSaturn]

Israel could make a car park out of Gaza in two hours. There is a reason this bombing happened and I doubt it was about hostages not returned. Among the assumed 300 dead ( remember the hospital story, 100s dead apparently but that was a lie) were Hamas hiding amongst the ‘innocent’ setting up some attack somewhere. You reap what you sow!

Do you think it's reasonable for an advanced military to bomb and kill hundreds of civilians to achieve a military target?

 

[Penge Eagle]

Hamas should indeed commit to peace, but I think that's an unlikely course of action for a terrorist group - the notion that if they don't, Israel therefore have license to massacre and displace as many civilians as the want is obviously a nonsensical one.

That you'd concluded from a single post that I must think killing of Jewish children is fine is not only a pretty vile accusation, it's childishly stupid.

I think the killing of all children is wrong - I'm perfectly comfortable condemning both the actions of Hamas on October 7th, and the actions of the Israeli military since.

As above, a more appropriate reflection is to consider why you are not?

Did you know that one of the unfortunate things about war is that children get killed, along with adults? Perhaps it's an idea to not start a war! Jordan and Egypt have worked that out.

It's funny that leftists like you seem to think that Palestine children are more important than Jewish children, hence the reason why we constantly hear "the Jews are killing the kids". Hamas use children as human shields. Hamas has also been firing on Israel from humanitarian zones. Israel has been very targeted in this war as the data shows. But Hamas get a pass.

So are you saying Israel should not respond and just lay down its weapons? I know, if we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" then Hamas will stop firing rockets into Israel to kill their children or plot terrorism to kill more Jewish children.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Did you know that one of the unfortunate things about war is that children get killed, along with adults? Perhaps it's an idea to not start a war! Joran and Egypt have worked that out.

It's funny that leftists like you seem to think that Palestine children are more important than Jewish children, hence the reason why we constantly hear "the Jews are killing the kids". Hamas use children as human shields. Hamas has also been firing on Israel from humanitarian zones. Israel has been very targeted in this war as the data shows. But Hamas get a pass.

So are you saying Israel should not respond and just lay down its weapons?

Nothing I've said suggests I think Palestine children are more important than Jewish children - are you capable of having a discussion without making such cheap allegations?

Again, I'm the one expressing that I condemn all violence against civilians and I think all children shouldn't be massacred. You have not expressed anything close to that sentiment, yet you see fit to level accusations at me about a lack of humanity or a bias in my views. It's genuinely laughable.

The reason we hear more about Palestinian children being killed compared with Jewish children is because so many more of them are being killed, obviously.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

No-one has argued that Israel doesn't have a right to self-defence. And that should extend to anyone involved in the October massacre, and anyone currently engaged in military action against Israel, and the rescue of hostages, including elimination of the captors.
How Israel chose to respond was with various missile attacks and carpet bombing of entire districts of civilians.
Israel is quite isolated, with borders to enemy States and with US arms, it is well-equipped to defend itself.
Carpet-bombing civilians makes the Israeli's no better than the terrorist groups they are fighting. Then denying food aid, medical aid and using starvation as a weapon of war.

Don't lose your humanity fighting a religious war.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Nothing I've said suggests I think Palestine children are more important than Jewish children - are you capable of having a discussion without making such cheap allegations?

Again, I'm the one expressing that I condemn all violence against civilians and I think all children shouldn't be massacred. You have not expressed anything close to that sentiment, yet you see fit to level accusations at me about a lack of humanity or a bias in my views. It's genuinely laughable.

The reason we hear more about Palestinian children being killed compared with Jewish children is because so many more of them are being killed, obviously.

No it's not about numbers. Anti-Semites don't give a s*** about Jews. End of.

And your response to October 7th as Israel would be...?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

No it's not about numbers. Anti-Semites don't give a s*** about Jews. End of.

And your response to October 7th as Israel would be...?

You're clearly not capable of a rational discussion on this, but I guess that's not surprising when you have to tie yourself in knots justifying the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians.

Everyone else must be an anti-semite.

Shameless.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

No-one has argued that Israel doesn't have a right to self-defence. And that should extend to anyone involved in the October massacre, and anyone currently engaged in military action against Israel, and the rescue of hostages, including elimination of the captors.
How Israel chose to respond was with various missile attacks and carpet bombing of entire districts of civilians.
Israel is quite isolated, with borders to enemy States and with US arms, it is well-equipped to defend itself.
Carpet-bombing civilians makes the Israeli's no better than the terrorist groups they are fighting. Then denying food aid, medical aid and using starvation as a weapon of war.

Don't lose your humanity fighting a religious war.

It's far too late for many.

 

[Penge Eagle]

No-one has argued that Israel doesn't have a right to self-defence. And that should extend to anyone involved in the October massacre, and anyone currently engaged in military action against Israel, and the rescue of hostages, including elimination of the captors.
How Israel chose to respond was with various missile attacks and carpet bombing of entire districts of civilians.
Israel is quite isolated, with borders to enemy States and with US arms, it is well-equipped to defend itself.
Carpet-bombing civilians makes the Israeli's no better than the terrorist groups they are fighting. Then denying food aid, medical aid and using starvation as a weapon of war.

Don't lose your humanity fighting a religious war.

So Israel are allowed to defend themselves but can't strike the military targets because the terrorists have conveniently put them in... yes, you guessed it... civilian districts! How very nice of them.

Hamas can then show their propaganda arm (the BBC and CNN) that civilians have been killed and the useful idiots watching it lap it up. Jews bad, Hamas good.

Has anyone pointed out to Hamas that their tunnel network the size of a very large city could protect children in wartime? It's what civilised countries like Britain did. But Hamas are animals along with their supporters. They don't care about children. And silence from the antisemites about Hamas stealing aid meant to help the children.

A religious war? It's a war for survival as a state. If it was happening to Britain, you would feel the same.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You're clearly not capable of a rational discussion on this, but I guess that's not surprising when you have to tie yourself in knots justifying the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians.

Everyone else must be an anti-semite.

Shameless.

Yes when you ignore genocidal acts in examples like Christians in Africa or other Muslims and only care when the Jews are involved makes you an antisemite in my book.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Yes when you ignore genocidal acts in examples like Christians in Africa or other Muslims and only care when the Jews are involved makes you an antisemite in my book.

You tell yourself what you need to - it's all very transparent.

Glad to see you acknowledge they are genocidal acts.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You tell yourself what you need to - it's all very transparent.

Glad to see you acknowledge they are genocidal acts.

Holding Jews to a different standard to others is anti-Semitic.

Yes, I acknowledge real genocidal acts, and unlike you, know the definition of the word.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So Israel are allowed to defend themselves but can't strike the military targets because the terrorists have conveniently put them in... yes, you guessed it... civilian districts! How very nice of them.

Hamas can then show their propaganda arm (the BBC and CNN) that civilians have been killed and the useful idiots watching it lap it up. Jews bad, Hamas good.

Has anyone pointed out to Hamas that their tunnel network the size of a very large city could protect children in wartime? It's what civilised countries like Britain did. But Hamas are animals along with their supporters. They don't care about children. And silence from the antisemites about Hamas stealing aid meant to help the children.

A religious war? It's a war for survival as a state. If it was happening to Britain, you would feel the same.

Despite the seriousness of the topic, I can't help but laugh at the irony of someone parroting some of the most nonsensical propaganda accusing others of being useful idiots who lap things up.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Holding Jews to a different standard to others is anti-Semitic.

Yes, I acknowledge real genocidal acts, and unlike you, know the definition of the word.

Yeah mate, anyone who opposes the massacre of civilians is an anti-Semite.

Real convincing stuff.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Despite the seriousness of the topic, I can't help but laugh at the irony of someone parroting some of the most nonsensical propaganda whilst accusing others of being useful idiots who lap things up.

I'm so glad I don't follow leftist ideology - or any ideology - as it means I can think for myself and am not programmed how to think. "I am a socialist, therefore I must hate Britain, the USA and Israel because that is what we all do."

 

[Spindle]

Do you think it's reasonable for an advanced military to bomb and kill hundreds of civilians to achieve a military target?

A mk82 500lber is not an advanced bomb. Costs about $4000 each and it's the bomb maths that gives it any accuracy it has, which isn't great. Of course if the target is worth it then you can turn that cheap dumb device into a very accuracy killer with a kit from Boeing, for about $50-75k iirc. Oh the maths of war.

 

[Spindle]

No-one has argued that Israel doesn't have a right to self-defence. And that should extend to anyone involved in the October massacre, and anyone currently engaged in military action against Israel, and the rescue of hostages, including elimination of the captors.
How Israel chose to respond was with various missile attacks and carpet bombing of entire districts of civilians.
Israel is quite isolated, with borders to enemy States and with US arms, it is well-equipped to defend itself.
Carpet-bombing civilians makes the Israeli's no better than the terrorist groups they are fighting. Then denying food aid, medical aid and using starvation as a weapon of war.

Don't lose your humanity fighting a religious war.

Even though I wrote the above it's still not carpet bombing. That's drama.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I'm so glad I don't follow leftist ideology - or any ideology - as it means I can think for myself and am not programmed how to think. "I am a socialist, therefore I must hate Britain, the USA and Israel because that is what we all do."

You just happen to think exactly what the Israeli propaganda says - what a coincidence 🤣

 

[CPFCSaturn]

A mk82 500lber is not an advanced bomb. Costs about $4000 each and it's the bomb maths that gives it any accuracy it has, which isn't great. Of course if the target is worth it then you can turn that cheap dumb device into a very accuracy killer with a kit from Boeing, for about $50-75k iirc. Oh the maths of war.

My question is much more theoretical - is it reasonable for a state to murder hundreds of civilians to achieve a military goal or to kill a couple of the bad guys?

I don't think it is.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You just happen to think exactly what the Israeli propaganda says - what a coincidence 🤣

Forest Hillbilly dislikes Israel (and IMO is wrong for his reasons) but at least he thinks for himself and doesn't follow an ideology like you. Imagine only viewing the complexities of the world through a Marxist lens. 🙁 Luckily most students grow out of this but I feel sorry for middle-aged men who should know better.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Forest Hillbilly dislikes Israel (and IMO is wrong for his reasons) but at least he thinks for himself and doesn't follow an ideology like you. Imagine only viewing the complexities of the world through a Marxist lens. 🙁 Luckily most students grow out of this but I feel sorry for middle-aged men who should know better.

Why do you seem so confident about my ideology or what I think? I've not said much beyond thinking that killing children is wrong. Marxist lens?? 🤣

Keep thinking for yourself - you're doing great at it.