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Woke is alive and well

Spindle said:
The only reason for my defence was because the person doing it was known for accusations of others and they need calling out for hypocrisy. Personally I just believe that 'racism' is a defence trait ingrained into all humans as a matter of survival, a broad distrust of strangers because strangers may kill you, and that is still within us (although the BBS consensus is that we've evolved past all of that, I guess because we're the educated monied west lol). TV entertainment is full of dystopian style futures where the greatest threat is.....other people. Walking Dead anyone? I think that the best way to deal with racism is to not focus on races in any way - this is true equality where everyone is consider on their personal merit, and since human beings are not different species then I struggle to see why so much emphasis is on race, pushed so hard, and that's racism in itself in my view. There are always going to be bad people, and as long as your society treats people equally then the bad people can be dealt with, but you don't deal with bad people by accusing the good ones all the time.
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I'll like the post purely because what you are presenting is the attitude on race that was sold to Europeans from the sixties onwards. Essentially what you are saying is the Martin Luther King Jnr, 'I have a dream' idealism (King was a type of communist in real life).

It's essentially the perspective of a well meaning person and in many ways I think most of us can agree on the core of the ideals in theory.

However, that liberal perspective on race opened up society for huge levels of subversion and essentially that has happened and thus led to a reversal on just about every front.

Now there is no firewall and your children and children's children will most probably be at the mercy of those who put their own ethnicities first......because laws aren't cast in stone and ideals don't trump ethnic self interests.

That only happens with liberal Europeans.
 
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So spindle do you prefer a lively political debate on here than BBS as you have been here a couple of weeks now. Also grab some sensible ones like your self where debate can be had and not stifled by accusations and threats. Well yes accusations on being a lefty liberal or climate denier but sticks and stones etc.
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cryrst said:
So spindle do you prefer a lively political debate on here than BBS as you have been here a couple of weeks now. Also grab some sensible ones like your self where debate can be had and not stifled by accusations and threats. Well yes accusations on being a lefty liberal or climate denier but sticks and stones etc.
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Yes, it's actually really refreshing. I accept that others have different points of view that I may not agree with and there seems to just be more respect here even amongst those who clearly don't see eye to eye. More importantly what I found with the BBS is that that they have some trolling beta woke guys who are extremely nasty, and one in particular a proper keyboard warrior. I had about 5 "they thems" who would snipe and report posts and they won in the end. I think the BBS is very very bitchy, frequently immature and incredibly condescending. There are some really good guys over there though, and Les Butler is a very nice and level headed mod, he could see what they were doing. Far too many grudges.
 
Spindle said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Adrien Brody and Halle Berry's kiss, Mikey Madison's win, and Wicked stars defying gravity: Top Oscars moments

It's the biggest night in Hollywood - here are some of the top moments from Sunday night's show.
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A payback kiss... 22 years later​

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Surely Halle Berry must now be arrested and tried for this sexual assault from a position of privilege and power? Where are the feminists?
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The only thing all that weird about it is that he's such an ugly fecker.

That nose could unlock safes.
 
Spindle said:
Yes, it's actually really refreshing. I accept that others have different points of view that I may not agree with and there seems to just be more respect here even amongst those who clearly don't see eye to eye.
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You often didn't accept opposing views on the BBS, and disrespected a number of people on there who didn't share your opinions.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
He seems determined to take Hungary back to the dark ages. They will be banning votes for women next and then burning witches.

How long will the EU tolerate this behaviour?
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Really; don’t be dramatic and because you have a personal attachment to LGBTFDWBCS doesn’t make your opinion more valid than others. There is actually evidence of minors being taught trans and alphabet views so if this stops that is it not a good move? It’s hard enough growing up without this crap drilled into them.
 
cryrst said:
Really; don’t be dramatic and because you have a personal attachment to LGBTFDWBCS doesn’t make your opinion more valid than others. There is actually evidence of minors being taught trans and alphabet views so if this stops that is it not a good move? It’s hard enough growing up without this crap drilled into them.
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I think there's very big difference between getting your schools to teach kids that gender is a choice, and banning people from celebrating the fact that they love someone of the same sex. The first one is the state promoting a particular belief system without any scientific basis, but the other is a suppression of people's freedoms. I think you're mixing up two quite different things here. I guess what I am trying to say is that I would be equally as appalled by schools promoting gender identity as an ideology as I would by LGBT marches being banned.
 
Living In Hope said:
I think there's very big difference between getting your schools to teach kids that gender is a choice, and banning people from celebrating the fact that they love someone of the same sex. The first one is the state promoting a particular belief system without any scientific basis, but the other is a suppression of people's freedoms. I think you're mixing up two quite different things here. I guess what I am trying to say is that I would be equally as appalled by schools promoting gender identity as an ideology as I would by LGBT marches being banned.
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Homosexually is a part of human nature and as such will always exist. However, a society that ignores birth rate and 'celebrates', what is effect a reduction in that birth rate...and indeed promotes it as a lifestyle is committing economic and social suicide.

While male homosexuality has always been traditionally low, female homosexuality has always had the propensity to be much higher due to biological differences between the sexes.

The current birth rate in socially liberal societies is a utter disaster....In Britain it stands at 1.44....Most people shrug their shoulders, but they don't seem to understand that this means poverty for their children as pensions just won't exist.

Social and neoliberalism stand fully to blame for this outcome. The day will come when people denied they ever supported it.

Schools are not places that were ever intended to promote or concentrate on expressions of sexuality. A school is most definitely not a place to 'celebrate the fact that they love someone of the same sex' or any other. The fact that some people now think that it should be...is a disfigurement of what school was meant to be.....This change in attitude, where sexuality is just one of many areas, holds some responsibility, in my opinion, for the generational drop in standards.
 
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Living In Hope said:
I think there's very big difference between getting your schools to teach kids that gender is a choice, and banning people from celebrating the fact that they love someone of the same sex. The first one is the state promoting a particular belief system without any scientific basis, but the other is a suppression of people's freedoms. I think you're mixing up two quite different things here. I guess what I am trying to say is that I would be equally as appalled by schools promoting gender identity as an ideology as I would by LGBT marches being banned.
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The irony in the alphabet people is their very mantra is equality and
‘we are the same’.
So where does that fit in with marches about being proud to be alphabet.
When was the last March promoting being ‘straight’.
Basically if they want it accepted as normal just get on with your life and stop highlighting s*** that 90% probably don’t agree with in private but will happily accept as part of a society to just get on with living.
 
jcreedy said:
You often didn't accept opposing views on the BBS, and disrespected a number of people on there who didn't share your opinions.
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If the bbs used this as a yardstick, there would be very few posters left. No bans for those wishing early death or a painful existence on those that voted for Brexit. Some of the vitriol posted on there makes Spindle look positively meek and mild 😂
 
cryrst said:
The irony in the alphabet people is their very mantra is equality and
‘we are the same’.
So where does that fit in with marches about being proud to be alphabet.
When was the last March promoting being ‘straight’.
Basically if they want it accepted as normal just get on with your life and stop highlighting s*** that 90% probably don’t agree with in private but will happily accept as part of a society to just get on with living.
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Many gay people are scared to speak out partly because of the huge abuse they will get from their own side and partly because they are aware of of the sacrifices of the previous generations, guilt if you like.

I know gay people who think that pride marches and let's celebrate every time someone comes out has had it's day.

We will actually achieve equality when gay people are no longer considered a mono block by the media and politicians. It's starting to happen with many gays now distancing themselves from Stonewall as they don't like the direction it's going in.

However it's going to take the same courage that allowed people to speak out in the sixties and seventies to speak out now and tell the left wing activists you don't speak for all gay people.

We shall see.
 
cryrst said:
Really; don’t be dramatic and because you have a personal attachment to LGBTFDWBCS doesn’t make your opinion more valid than others. There is actually evidence of minors being taught trans and alphabet views so if this stops that is it not a good move? It’s hard enough growing up without this crap drilled into them.
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Ensuring the curriculum is appropriate is a long way from what Orban is doing. It’s also a long way for children to be taught about tolerance of, and respect for, “otherness” and the idea they are being taught trans and alphabet “views”. The first being essential in a modern, inclusive, society, whilst the second would not be acceptable to most.

All you are doing is demonstrating your own prejudice. No one wants “crap” taught into anyone. Defining what is, or isn’t, “crap” is the issue.
 
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