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Ha ha ha total squirming. As if the president didn't know, as if the Cubans had no military support.
Totally embarrassing
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Ha ha ha total squirming. As if the president didn't know, as if the Cubans had no military support.
Totally embarrassing
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Having watched the way the US media is responding to yesterday’s events is interesting and throws some light on a few aspects, if still leaving many questions.
Firstly, the timing. It’s being suggested that doing this just when many Americans are having to come to terms with their health costs doubling is not a coincidence. Trump likes a headline that wipes other things off the news agenda. Diversion being a common tactic whenever he is cornered. Pushing scrutiny of the Epstein files further away doesn’t harm him either.
Secondly, yesterday’s press conference was held without an autocue or a script. Trump just spoke and what he had to say appeared to surprise the others on the platform as much as everyone else. He seems to just have made it up as he went along.
The conclusion from this being that it was never the plan for the USA to run the country and that this will be rolled back in the coming days. It was just Trump shooting his mouth off and seeking headlines. Serious questions are being asked about whether the frequency of this type of behaviour is indicative of rising dementia. Capturing Maduro was more a personal vendetta of Trump’s than any thought out strategy.
Thirdly, VP Vance wasn’t there. Why? Is he sick? If so there’s not been a word said. He is close to the MAGA mob and could have decided he wanted nothing to do with it.
My own conclusions earlier being confirmed. The USA running the country being impractical it’s now likely to deteriorate into fights between factions in the power vacuum that’s probably going to result. Unless the VP and the military crack down with even more restrictions. Hardly good for the people there.
Firstly, the timing. It’s being suggested that doing this just when many Americans are having to come to terms with their health costs doubling is not a coincidence. Trump likes a headline that wipes other things off the news agenda. Diversion being a common tactic whenever he is cornered. Pushing scrutiny of the Epstein files further away doesn’t harm him either.
Secondly, yesterday’s press conference was held without an autocue or a script. Trump just spoke and what he had to say appeared to surprise the others on the platform as much as everyone else. He seems to just have made it up as he went along.
The conclusion from this being that it was never the plan for the USA to run the country and that this will be rolled back in the coming days. It was just Trump shooting his mouth off and seeking headlines. Serious questions are being asked about whether the frequency of this type of behaviour is indicative of rising dementia. Capturing Maduro was more a personal vendetta of Trump’s than any thought out strategy.
Thirdly, VP Vance wasn’t there. Why? Is he sick? If so there’s not been a word said. He is close to the MAGA mob and could have decided he wanted nothing to do with it.
My own conclusions earlier being confirmed. The USA running the country being impractical it’s now likely to deteriorate into fights between factions in the power vacuum that’s probably going to result. Unless the VP and the military crack down with even more restrictions. Hardly good for the people there.
Teddy Eagle
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So if Trump had a hired a bunch of mercenaries to carry out the job it would've been alright.
Wisbech Eagle
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Of course the President knew. The US military trained the Cuban exiles, equipped them and probably accompanied them as “advisers”.
It’s what you do when you want to establish plausible deniability and/or stay on the right side of international law.
The point being this was NOT an invasion of Cuba by the USA. Not the invasion of one sovereign state by another. That the USA was behind it, and wanting Castro removed, is obviously true but totally beside the point.
Which it seems you either fail to understand, or fail to acknowledge. Again!
Wisbech Eagle
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He could have denied liability, blaming unknown factions of disenchanted exiles, and stayed on the right side of international law.
Whether that would make it morally justified is another question.
Teddy Eagle
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Which means he was upfront about it and didn't try to hide behind technicalities.
Stirlingsays
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To remain British.
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He wasn't there for security reasons according to the news reports I read. Apparently they didn't want Venezuelan or other secret services picking up on the fact that there would be two motorcades Trumps & Vance's arriving at Mar De Lago at the same time & arousing suspicions that something was imminent
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He already knows this. As it's already been reported widely. He's just trying to throw doubt out there.
Russia do its called the Wagner group.
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Looks like the kidnap operation was a bit messy.
"The Cuban government has said 32 of its nationals were killed during the US operation to capture Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro.
It said the dead were members of its armed forces and intelligence agencies, with two days of national mourning declared.
A short statement did not elaborate on the role of the Cubans in Venezuela, but the two governments are long-standing allies, with Cuba providing security support in exchange for oil."
And the big issue I read into that, is the USA is now controlling oil into Cuba. They have Cuba over a financial barrel, and it would be a natural conclusion to think that regime change in Cuba is on the horizon
"The Cuban government has said 32 of its nationals were killed during the US operation to capture Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro.
It said the dead were members of its armed forces and intelligence agencies, with two days of national mourning declared.
A short statement did not elaborate on the role of the Cubans in Venezuela, but the two governments are long-standing allies, with Cuba providing security support in exchange for oil."
And the big issue I read into that, is the USA is now controlling oil into Cuba. They have Cuba over a financial barrel, and it would be a natural conclusion to think that regime change in Cuba is on the horizon
Wisbech Eagle
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No, he instructed his own military to do it, rather than keeping out of it. You might regard that as merely a technicality, as Trump obviously does, or doesn’t care. Others, more experienced in foreign relations, describe this as a big mistake as it opens the door to other tyrants to do similar things in their locality.
If the leader of the Western World and, currently, its most powerful nation can act this way what’s to restrain others? Trump has abandoned any pretence of the moral high ground. Pretence might be all it ever was but when courting public opinion it still matters.
Frenchaigle
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If there’s a case that I need to answer to then whoever or whatever has the right to prosecute .
Trump’ s a felon .
Trump’s BDS is down to Biden beating him in 2020 .
Teddy Eagle
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Not the technicality I meant which was that had he hired and trained a group of dissident Venezuelans it would apparently have been more acceptable.
Wisbech Eagle
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Not in the news reports I watched. His absence was questioned and no suggestion of any reason were given.
Why would there be any concern about security? The press conference was announced and anticipated. Trump’s location was known. Security there must be very tight at all times and moving the President and VP separately, a routine event. Not only by road. They are often seen together.
No, that looks like a hastily invented excuse to satisfy the easily satisfied.
I think you must be confusing the reports on why Vance, and others, weren’t with Trump and Rubio as the event was happening. That was late at night and there were obvious reasons why that needed to be kept secret.
This is about the press conference the following day.
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They've probably learned their lessons on that one already.
Wisbech Eagle
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I don’t see any difference in that.
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I find your attitude comical and just NPC....amusing considering that you criticise 'MAGA'. You are just the same.
Let me spell it out to you, as you obviously seem to believe in a world that doesn't exist.
I looked at the charges that the left used in Democratic states to convict Trump.....they are all bullshit and it's why it had the opposite effect to what you think. Everyone could see it was politically motivated.
If the Democrats were serious about a sense of morality (which they don't have) then they would have focused on Epstein.....But they did nothing on Epstein exactly because they are just as controlled as Trump and also implicated just as heavily....if not more with Epstein (who supported Democrats).
The Democrats did feck all while in power and actively closed down investigations that looked like they may lead to charges.
As for this child like view of breaking laws.....All US Presidents since they took over the superpower role (something the left celebrated as they had worked against the British) they have been responsible for breaking laws far worst than the crap the Democrats pulled on Trump......which fell on its arse by the way. People like you literally got the man elected.
Obama was drone striking weddings and here's you calling Trump a 'felon'.....it's clown level.
You know choosing what laws you follow....it's kind of what being a superpower is mate.....You decide what rules you follow.
And there's nothing you can do about it because the 'liberal world order', is bullshit......It's all about what the big boy in the schoolyard wants to do....and it always was.
Anyone saying any different is selling you rainbows and piggy tails.
Teddy Eagle
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Right.
The Bay of Pigs happened in my lifetime and I followed it at the time. It was not a US military action. It was a CIA sponsored attempt by exiled Cubans who had been trained by the US military to overthrow Castro. It was a humiliating failure. So not an invasion BY the US. A failed attempt sponsored by them. See the difference? Perhaps not!
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Thought they were footballer's birds.