Ashes cricket

Phil H said:
The lack of proper preparation is very weird, isn't it? Other performance-based professions use simulation in the way you suggest to the nth degree. Tells me that the upper echelons of management are either incompetent or have no interest in the future of test cricket. Either way it's an insult to the players on both sides, Australian hosts, and the fans. As for poor Ollie Pope, he's got what golfers call the Yips...uncontrollable twitching of the right hand. Not a pretty sight. Time to concentrate on the football I feel!aaa
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They used to tour for four months and play State sides. I don't mind being beaten by the better side so long as we leave nothing in terms of preparation and performance. We've got stacks of analysts providing real time data, yet we still can't bowl straight, hold catches and Pope playing shots like yesterday. Our leadership seems incapable of playing test cricket.
 
Phil H said:
The lack of proper preparation is very weird, isn't it? Other performance-based professions use simulation in the way you suggest to the nth degree. Tells me that the upper echelons of management are either incompetent or have no interest in the future of test cricket. Either way it's an insult to the players on both sides, Australian hosts, and the fans. As for poor Ollie Pope, he's got what golfers call the Yips...uncontrollable twitching of the right hand. Not a pretty sight. Time to concentrate on the football I feel!
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The ECB are all about maximising money from the customers and success on the field is secondary.

Obviously they care, but the money is the most important. In my opinion it's been the main problem in English cricket since the Sky money came in.....which is a poisoned chalice because it denies promoting the game properly to the masses.

Football can do that.....I'm not sure a sport like Cricket can.....Cricket requires numbers....and it's relying far too much on people like me, Gen Xs and boomers raised on past glories.....Well, relative glories at least.

It's all about maximising money and squeezing the paying customer.

It shows from the number of twenty twenty cricket they have to the size of wages for players who.....in relation to their foreign counterparts.....just don't justify them.

Well, watching England at both home and away has been my obsession for 40 years and even though I'm fortunate enough to afford to watch them on Sky this has been the first time I've refused to do it......I don't like doing it.....I can take the losing, but I'm sick of the management of our system that recreates this humiliation everytime.

If the schedule means you can't acclimatise the team over there with enough time and matches then have the means to simulate over here and take it ultra seriously.

In the old days competing mattered more than the money.

If we don't have enough youngsters playing the game then ditch Sky and go with the BBC......Put the game before the size of your wage packet.

If you don't it's a slow death anyway.....but just one that you made more money out of while pulling up the ladder for those that come after......A story we see so much today.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
The ECB are all about maximising money from the customers and success on the field is secondary.

Obviously they care, but the money is the most important. In my opinion it's been the main problem in English cricket since the Sky money came in.....which is a poisoned chalice because it denies promoting the game properly to the masses.

Football can do that.....I'm not sure a sport like Cricket can.....Cricket requires numbers....and it's relying far too much on people like me, Gen Xs and boomers raised on past glories.....Well, relative glories at least.

It's all about maximising money and squeezing the paying customer.

It shows from the number of twenty twenty cricket they have to the size of wages for players who.....in relation to their foreign counterparts.....just don't justify them.

Well, watching England at both home and away has been my obsession for 40 years and even though I'm fortunate enough to afford to watch them on Sky this has been the first time I've refused to do it......I don't like doing it.....I can take the losing, but I'm sick of the management of our system that recreates this humiliation everytime.

If the schedule means you can't acclimatise the team over there with enough time and matches then have the means to simulate over here and take it ultra seriously.

In the old days competing mattered more than the money.

If we don't have enough youngsters playing the game then ditch Sky and go with the BBC......Put the game before the size of your wage packet.

If you don't it's a slow death anyway.....but just one that you made more money out of while pulling up the ladder for those that come after......A story we see so much today.
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I was shocked and dismayed when the first thing that happened after the iconic 2005 Ashes (which the whole country engaged in, even my mother who knows nothing about cricket had an opinion) was to put cricket on Sky and take it away from the masses. I know that paying for sport via subscription is a whole other debating topic but it felt like selling the family silver.
 
Phil H said:
I was shocked and dismayed when the first thing that happened after the iconic 2005 Ashes (which the whole country engaged in, even my mother who knows nothing about cricket had an opinion) was to put cricket on Sky and take it away from the masses. I know that paying for sport via subscription is a whole other debating topic but it felt like selling the family silver.
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Yep essentially you're right,

(Grok)

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) awarded exclusive live TV rights for England's home international cricket (including Tests) to Sky Sports in a four-year deal worth around £220 million, announced in late 2004—before the 2005 Ashes series began. This deal took effect from 2006 onward, meaning the iconic 2005 Ashes (won by England 2-1) was the last home Test series broadcast live on free-to-air terrestrial TV (Channel 4).

TV audiences for home Tests plummeted (from peaks of 8+ million in 2005 to often under 1 million on Sky), and there's evidence of falling junior participation in the years that followed.

maximising money before what's best for the game - pulling the ladder up.
 
Wow. England have a total to chase for a win
They might put a few runs on the board, but you know a batting collapse is inevitable, with probably a few injuries so players can duck a series whitewash
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Wow. England have a total to chase for a win
They might put a few runs on the board, but you know a batting collapse is inevitable, with probably a few injuries so players can duck a series whitewash
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Well done for staying up!! That's dedication. Ok so what we're seeing now is proper test cricket, if England had bothered to warm up in Australia before the first test this is the stage we might have been at in the first test - now getting adjusted to the very alien conditions.
 
I stayed up until Ducket went, I then muttered the words you useless short arse little prick and went to bed. 🤨

I know I couldn’t bat for England, but why the bloody hell when they’ve got to stay out there with plenty of time to wear the bowlers down and not worry about the runs early on, do they time and time again just wave their bat lazily at the ball and get caught in the slips? I’d love to see Geoff Boycotts face when he’s watching our openers and top order batters in situations like that

Baz ball is bollocks by the way, I bet the Aussies love it though
 
The post mortem begins before even the death.

Such a surprise: preparation was bollocks.
Such a surprise: non spinning spinner who doesn't play is a waste of time.
Such a surprise: batting order collapses from poor shot choice.
Such a surprise: no preparation, poor fielding.
The list of the blindingly obvious goes on, I just can't be bothered to point it all out.
 
ASCPFC said:
The post mortem begins before even the death.

Such a surprise: preparation was bollocks.
Such a surprise: non spinning spinner who doesn't play is a waste of time.
Such a surprise: batting order collapses from poor shot choice.
Such a surprise: no preparation, poor fielding.
The list of the blindingly obvious goes on, I just can't be bothered to point it all out.
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Throwing wickets away is my biggest bugbear and surely with a bit more concentration and stubbornness to stay at the crease is something top class batsmen could rectify. Even Smith who was going along nicely with no dramas suddenly decides to throw the bat at the ball needlessly
I know it’s all ifs and buts, but we only needed a couple of our top order to have half decent scores and we could’ve won that test
 
BromleyMonkey said:
Throwing wickets away is my biggest bugbear and surely with a bit more concentration and stubbornness to stay at the crease is something top class batsmen could rectify. Even Smith who was going along nicely with no dramas suddenly decides to throw the bat at the ball needlessly
I know it’s all ifs and buts, but we only needed a couple of our top order to have half decent scores and we could’ve won that test
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They all need to be playing county cricket day in/ day out and doing well. That should give them batting discipline. Anyone not playing, injured or not doing well should not be considered or dropped. That will create actual competition.
England have to do this if they want to get close to matching Australia or India: it's not optional. I think player welfare has gone too far and accounts for the lack of preparation. Carry on as they are and the test squad may as well just play Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Ireland and Bangladesh.
One main point I want to say about Australia is that when the Ashes are in England, many of the Aussies play County Cricket for the season before. England couldn't even be bothered to play one game. And the difference clearly shows.
 
ASCPFC said:
They all need to be playing county cricket day in/ day out and doing well. That should give them batting discipline. Anyone not playing, injured or not doing well should not be considered or dropped. That will create actual competition.
England have to do this if they want to get close to matching Australia or India: it's not optional. I think player welfare has gone too far and accounts for the lack of preparation. Carry on as they are and the test squad may as well just play Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Ireland and Bangladesh.
One main point I want to say about Australia is that when the Ashes are in England, many of the Aussies play County Cricket for the season before. England couldn't even be bothered to play one game. And the difference clearly shows.
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I think you’re spot on here, they always give us a game over here, but let’s face it apart from 2010/11 they make us look silly when we’re down there, has to be down to preparation
 
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