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Villa v Maccabi
- Topic starter Spiderman
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Sorry that I did not spell out that I consider that a severe problem exists. I do have Jewish friends.
Spindle
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Have the Jew haters considered that Jews would be "refugees" who they "welcome" if they were booted out of Israel, which is what they campaign for.
I would certainly welcome 1 million Jews, I can't say the same for Muslims, because the former aren't remotely the troublemakers that the latter are.
I would certainly welcome 1 million Jews, I can't say the same for Muslims, because the former aren't remotely the troublemakers that the latter are.
I was not implying you did not see the problem which clearly you do, no need for a sorry
PalazioVecchio
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jews ? the economy and the business sector would burgeon. Especially new business startups. They are industrious and law-abiding, and pay their taxes. Very Rarely on the dole and have a high IQ.
Many of the UK based Jews have openly criticized Israel and cannot be blamed for a war five thousand miles away.
Forest Hillbilly
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Looks like Maccabi fans(or certainly a lot of them) are scumbags and deserving of a ban.
www.bbc.co.uk
I certainly wouldn't want them in my neighborhood.
Maccabi Tel Aviv v Hapoel Tel Aviv called off by police after 'violent riots'
The derby between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv is cancelled before kick-off after police say "smoke grenades and pyrotechnic devices were thrown".
www.bbc.co.uk
Rudi Hedman
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This is a political decision by antisemite Muslim politicians, not a policing decision.Looks like Maccabi fans(or certainly a lot of them) are scumbags and deserving of a ban.
I certainly wouldn't want them in my neighborhood.Maccabi Tel Aviv v Hapoel Tel Aviv called off by police after 'violent riots'
The derby between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv is cancelled before kick-off after police say "smoke grenades and pyrotechnic devices were thrown".
chris123
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What happened yesterday in Tel Aviv won't help that argument.
Based on this logic Liverpool fans could never go to away games
The anti Jewish posters on here looking for any straw they can grasp to make the political decision not a political decision
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Forest Hillbilly
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The trouble in Amsterdam is also going to count against them now.
These are fighting Israeli fans, and anyone who thinks it's sensible and correct to allow them into predominantly Muslim areas for a football match, really need to take a step back and be objective.
Maccabi trouble makers will be looking for a fight and you can bet the Muslim tough guys will be very well prepared, to protect themselves and their property.
We'll have to wait and see what the Birmingham police now think.
These are fighting Israeli fans, and anyone who thinks it's sensible and correct to allow them into predominantly Muslim areas for a football match, really need to take a step back and be objective.
Maccabi trouble makers will be looking for a fight and you can bet the Muslim tough guys will be very well prepared, to protect themselves and their property.
We'll have to wait and see what the Birmingham police now think.
CPFCSaturn
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🤣🤣 what a shock.Looks like Maccabi fans(or certainly a lot of them) are scumbags and deserving of a ban.
I certainly wouldn't want them in my neighborhood.Maccabi Tel Aviv v Hapoel Tel Aviv called off by police after 'violent riots'
The derby between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv is cancelled before kick-off after police say "smoke grenades and pyrotechnic devices were thrown".
No doubt the gaslighting will continue from our media and politicians regardless, as the usual suspects frantically froth at whatever latest outrage they are fed.
Below are 10+ examples of away fans being banned from European fixtures due to violence or disorder at their previous fixtures. All have happened within the last 5 years, and at precisely none of them was religion or ethnicity ever considered relevant.
The latest ban for Maccabi fans is not remotely unique, or even particularly unusual. Maccabi themselves were banned from another away match in 2022, and no one batted an eye lid.
Just complete manufactured outrage this time round.
| Legia Warsaw (Poland) – UEFA European competition | Nov 2023 (at Aston Villa, England) | Violent clashes with police outside stadium, missiles/flares thrown, damage. ESPN.com+2TNT Sports+2 | UEFA banned Legia from selling tickets to away supporters for their next fiveEuropean away games. Sky Sports+1 |
| 2 | Fenerbahçe (Turkey) – UEFA European competition | March 2024 | Crowd disturbances: lighting fireworks, throwing objects, damage during Europa Conference League. Anadolu Ajansı | UEFA banned Fenerbahçe from selling away-tickets for next three UEFA matches, and fined the club. Anadolu Ajansı |
| 3 | FC Bayern Munich (Germany) – UEFA European competition | 2023-24 season | Away fans set off fireworks/pyros and threw objects in previous matches. The Standard+1 | Bayern were banned from selling tickets to their away supporters for their next away game in Europe. FC Bayern |
| 4 | RSC Anderlecht (Belgium) – UEFA European competition | 2022/23 | Supporter misconduct: lighting fireworks, throwing objects, damage. UEFA.com | Anderlecht banned from selling tickets to its away supporters for its next two UEFA matches. UEFA.com |
| 5 | Maccabi Haifa FC (Israel) – UEFA Champions League | Oct 2022 | Fireworks and throwing objects by their supporters. UEFA.com | Ban from selling tickets to away supporters for next one UEFA match (suspended probation). UEFA.com |
| 6 | AS Roma (Italy) – UEFA / European competition | May 2023 (Final, Budapest) | Crowd disturbances, damage, fireworks. UEFA.com | Roma banned from selling tickets to away supporters for next one UEFA match. UEFA.com |
| 7 | FC Basel 1893 (Switzerland) – UEFA Conference League | May 2023 | Fireworks and throwing objects by supporters. UEFA.com | Basel banned from selling away-tickets for next one UEFA match. UEFA.com |
| 8 | Eintracht Frankfurt (Germany) – UEFA Champions League | 2025 (vs SSC Napoli, Italy) | Italian authorities banned Frankfurt supporters from ticket allocation citing risk of violence. Eintracht Frankfurt+1 | No tickets for away supporters; match to proceed without them. AP News |
| 9 | ŠK Slovan Bratislava (Slovakia) – UEFA Europa Conference League | Nov 2022 | Supporter misconduct: fireworks, object-throwing, damage. UEFA.com | Ban from selling tickets to away supporters for next one UEFA match (suspended). UEFA.com |
| 10 | PSV Eindhoven (Netherlands) – UEFA Champions League | Oct 2023 (vs RC Lens, France) | Fireworks, damage by supporters. UEFA.com | PSV banned from selling away-tickets for next one UEFA match (suspended). UEFA.com |
| 11 | 1. FC Union Berlin (Germany) – UEFA Competition | 2022/23 | Supporter damage and ticketing breaches. UEFA.com | Union Berlin fined + away ticket sanctions (though smaller scale) UEFA.com |
| 12 | OGC Nice (France) – UEFA Champions League 2022/23 | Sept 2022 | Fireworks, objects, crowd disturbance by supporters. UEFA.com | Ban on selling tickets to away supporters for next one UEFA match (suspended) UEFA.com |
| 13 | AS Fiorentina (Italy) – UEFA Europa Conference League | May 2023 | Crowd disturbances, fireworks, throwing of objects. UEFA.com | Fiorentina banned from selling away-tickets for next one UEFA match. UEFA.com |
| 14 | Celtic F.C. (Scotland) – UEFA Champions League / Europa League | Recent seasons | Fan pyrotechnics leading to threats of bans. The Scottish Sun+1 | One-match ban on away supporters (though sometimes suspended) for Champions League tie. |
Perhaps it wouldn’t have been such an issue if the local Muslim run Council had not got up a petition to ban them? That petition had nothing to do with their “previous” it was about who they were. I look forward to regular banning of away fans whoever they are
CPFCSaturn
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No need to look forward, just look at the plethora of examples from the last few years.
What did the petition say?
cryrst
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We don’t want Jews in Aston I think.
WTF does a Muslim council care about violence. The whole religion is violent as proven daily around the country and the world.
Eagleman13
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CPFCSaturn
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Yes, aware of the mention of a petition - I’m trying to verify the claim that “That petition had nothing to do with their “previous” it was about who they were”
It’s also unclear to me if the petition had any impact on the decision made by the Safety Advisory Group.
chris123
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The risk assessment must have come first.
PalazioVecchio
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well it would be bad in Birmingham. And imagine how bad it would be if the match were held at neutral territory ? say, Rotherham ? that would be really awful, indeed ?
PalazioVecchio
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First they came for the Jews, but i didnt protest cos i wasnt a Jew.
then they came for the Gays, but i wasn't gay either, so i didnt protest.
then they came for the teenage girls, but that was not me. So i didnt protest.
then............
anybody got the link to that famous poem ?
hackney-viking-eagle
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Nonsense. Here's the petition wording, relevant bit in bold. Also no use of the word jew, you might notice.
"On 6 November, Aston Villa are due to host Maccabi Tel Aviv at Villa Park in Birmingham. We are calling on UEFA, the UK Culture Minister, and the club itself to urgently cancel this fixture or take immediate steps to ensure public safety and community harmony.
This is not a normal football match. It cannot be treated as business as usual.
Why action is needed
Ongoing genocide in Gaza: As Israel continues its assault on Gaza, killing thousands and devastating civilian infrastructure, sporting fixtures involving Israeli teams cannot be separated from the wider political context. Hosting such teams sends a message of normalisation and indifference to mass atrocities.
Track record of violence by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans: The club’s supporters have previously caused serious disruption and violence during matches abroad, including clashes and riots in Amsterdam. Their arrival in Aston - a diverse and predominantly Muslim community - poses a real risk of tensions within the community and disorder.
Wider European context: Across Europe, calls are growing to cut cultural and sporting ties with Israel. Ireland has even warned it will boycott Eurovision if Israel is allowed to participate. Sport cannot be an exception when human rights are at stake.
Our demands
We therefore call on the relevant authorities to take immediate steps to protect local communities and uphold ethical sporting standards by doing one of the following:
- Cancel the match entirely, or
- Relocate the match to a neutral third country, or
- Hold the match behind closed doors with no spectators.
At the very least, we call on the relevant authorities to ensure any Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters that have been seen chanting and causing disorder in Amsterdam are prevented from entering the UK and any that do not come are securely bussed in and out under strict coditions, without the chance to gather and roam in Birmingham.
Add your name to demand decisive action before it’s too late. "