Israel v Hamas

HKOwen said:
Putting on a " Press " sign does not make you a journalist.

" Journalists " flocked to the photo of the emaciated child which turned out to be a genetic condition, nothing to do with the war and failed to show the poor child's healthy not starving sibling.
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Another one too hard for CPFC Saturn, jew hate can only get you so far
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You're a very aggressive person - it comes across like you're a moody teenager, which would explain a lot.

No need to move the goalposts, you're just wrong - you claimed Gaza is part of the state of Israel, 'as legally recognised by everyone except some Arabs'.

I am highlighting that not even Israel claims Gaza as part of their state, nor does the UN, nor do most countries in the world (most of which aren't Arab, FYI).

Can you advise of any countries or legal bodies who do make that claim?
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To be fair, you are an idiot
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Just to be clear, you were completely wrong about Gaza being Israel's sovereign territory - what an idiot.
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No I'm not wrong, it's Israeli territory. It's not a country, it's not part of Egypt. Jews lived there until 2005 when they were ethnically cleansed.

You're trying to be clever, but you aren't.
 
Spindle said:
No I'm not wrong, it's Israeli territory. It's not a country, it's not part of Egypt. Jews lived there until 2005 when they were ethnically cleansed.

You're trying to be clever, but you aren't.
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The West bank controlled by the PA and Gaza controlled by the murderous Hamas terrorists are two different entities. Any recognition of a Palestinian state would exclude Gaza unless it was under the control of the PA
 
That's who controls it. It's not the same as England and Scotland.

If Egypt rolled tanks in would the IDF consider that an invasion of sovereign territory?
 
cryrst said:
I wonder if this is the so called far right.
Maybe it is the far left Jew haters.
I mean it’s a mystery 🤔
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It’s much more likely to be someone who opposes the behaviour of Israel and the support it gets from the USA.

I just listened to Jeffrey Sachs on this. He was scathing about Netanyahu, calling him the most vile politician of our age. Which, given the competition, is some achievement.

He said Trump could end this war tomorrow, if he chose to and had the guts to.

All he needs to do is recognise a state of Palestine. Israel would then stand alone, without a veto, and such a state would be created by an overwhelming UN vote. Withdrawing US support and demanding that Israel makes peace would end the war.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It’s much more likely to be someone who opposes the behaviour of Israel and the support it gets from the USA.

I just listened to Jeffrey Sachs on this. He was scathing about Netanyahu, calling him the most vile politician of our age. Which, given the competition, is some achievement.

He said Trump could end this war tomorrow, if he chose to and had the guts to.

All he needs to do is recognise a state of Palestine. Israel would then stand alone, without a veto, and such a state would be created by an overwhelming UN vote. Withdrawing US support and demanding that Israel makes peace would end the war.
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Shocker, the left-winger Jeffrey Sachs has this view!

You do realise that recognising a state of Palestine will be rewarding the actions of terrorist group Hamas and make Oct 7 worth it?
 
If a Palestinian State is to be created, then HAMAS would play no part in any Governance. That has been made clear by all parties putting forward the proposal.
And the creation of a Palestinian state may reduce further attacks by militarily armed Israelis on Palestinian farms and homesteads, where Israel has been expanding its borders. These attacks and murders on Palestinians, and the stealing of their land, have been conducted for decades by rather bemusingly named Israeli "settlers"
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
If a Palestinian State is to be created, then HAMAS would play no part in any Governance. That has been made clear by all parties putting forward the proposal.
And the creation of a Palestinian state may reduce further attacks by militarily armed Israelis on Palestinian farms and homesteads, where Israel has been expanding its borders. These attacks and murders on Palestinians, and the stealing of their land, have been conducted for decades by rather bemusingly named Israeli "settlers"
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What I can't understand is why the Palestinians don't welcome enlargement and enhancement - surely it is more to enjoy, so why not enjoy it.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
If a Palestinian State is to be created, then HAMAS would play no part in any Governance. That has been made clear by all parties putting forward the proposal.
And the creation of a Palestinian state may reduce further attacks by militarily armed Israelis on Palestinian farms and homesteads, where Israel has been expanding its borders. These attacks and murders on Palestinians, and the stealing of their land, have been conducted for decades by rather bemusingly named Israeli "settlers"
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How do you know they are "stealing" land? Have you seen the deeds?

The 'West Bank' is the term used when it was under occupation by Jordan – it's historically Judea and Samaria. Jordan has gone yet the name remains.

Many Jewish communities are simply returning to their homeland, including those who were expelled.

Before 1967 it was not recognised as sovereign Jordanian land. The West Bank is disputed territory and settlements are legal until a peace deal defining borders is determined.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
If a Palestinian State is to be created, then HAMAS would play no part in any Governance. That has been made clear by all parties putting forward the proposal.
And the creation of a Palestinian state may reduce further attacks by militarily armed Israelis on Palestinian farms and homesteads, where Israel has been expanding its borders. These attacks and murders on Palestinians, and the stealing of their land, have been conducted for decades by rather bemusingly named Israeli "settlers"
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So the Gaza Strip would be excluded then as Hamas control it.
 
Penge Eagle said:
Shocker, the left-winger Jeffrey Sachs has this view!

You do realise that recognising a state of Palestine will be rewarding the actions of terrorist group Hamas and make Oct 7 worth it?
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Jeffrey Sachs is a highly intelligent, well connected and forthright thinker who cuts through the crap to get to the core of issues. Only those who seek to cast everything in a political framework fail to see that.

Recognising a Palestinian state would not reward Hamas in any way because, should it mean anything, they would cease to exist.

What it would do addresses issues that predate Oct 7 by decades and for which Oct 7, and everything subsequent to it, are only the current chapters of a very long story.

This problem didn’t come from nowhere on Oct 7. Oct 7 is just the excuse used by Netanyahu, the hard right religious zealots he depends on for his survival along with the blinkered Zionists in the USA who control their attitude, to justify the appalling disregard for others being shown.

That anyone in our country defends that is shocking.

Too many people, including several here, seek to frame the objections to the behaviour of the Israeli government as being “anti-Jewish”, or Semitic. They aren’t. They are objections to policy and behaviour from those with appalling political beliefs. Jeffrey Sachs is an outspoken critic who is himself Jewish.
 
Sachs’ criticism oversimplifies a complex conflict he ignores Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorist groups like Hamas who are sworn to its destruction.

Conflating policy criticism with anti-Semitism is a tactic to dodge accountability for biased narratives
 
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