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Making a massive scene about their sexual preferences. Who cares?

Just as many horrible people in the gay community as straight, or are you disputing that
 
Spindle said:
Making a massive scene about their sexual preferences. Who cares?

Just as many horrible people in the gay community as straight, or are you disputing that
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Being gay was literally illegal in this country until 1967. Was still vilified during the aids crisis. Words like ‘poof ‘, ‘queer’ and ‘bender’ were used as derogatory terms without anyone standing up to the use up until recently.

I’m not bothered about the gay community celebrating that they can be far freer to be the actual human beings they are without fear of vilification or being shamed for it once a year.
 
DanH said:
Being gay was literally illegal in this country until 1967. Was still vilified during the aids crisis. Words like ‘poof ‘, ‘queer’ and ‘bender’ were used as derogatory terms without anyone standing up to the use up until recently.

I’m not bothered about the gay community celebrating that they can be far freer to be the actual human beings they are without fear of vilification or being shamed for it once a year.
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'Celebrating homosexuality' helps lower the birth rate.

It's one of the biggest and most pointed of criticisms that both neo and social liberalism are responsible for.

If modern ideas on how to regard homosexuality convinces one bisexual female to choose a homosexual relationship during her fertile years rather than a heterosexual one then it's a indictment of society.

No one I know is advocating for homosexuals to be treated poorly. In my opinion they should be treated the same as others, except for minor differences in the current marriage laws.

I don't know that I would ban their weirdo 'pride' marches, however it's certainly something society should ignore for its own health. I'd let them have their weird nightclubs and essentially go back to what it was like in the 80s....This charge of homosexuals being hated is overblown. They are probably more disliked now because of the behaviour of their activists online....the pronoun and trans stuff.

But going back to the fundamental point is that the massive destruction of the birth rate is existential for societies.....changes in attitudes towards homosexuality is one factor in that destruction....not the largest one but it still factors.

You may consider yourself a good person for this idea that hurty words aimed at homosexuals by morons is massively important.....However you know what I consider far far more important?

The fact that the destruction of the birth rate means no pensions for the next generation.

No next generation of children to look after nor pay for all these old people.

That will be real suffering.....not hurty words.

In fact I'd go so far to call that evil as an outcome.....not intentional perhaps but pretty dim and incredibly selfish.
 
DanH said:
Being gay was literally illegal in this country until 1967. Was still vilified during the aids crisis. Words like ‘poof ‘, ‘queer’ and ‘bender’ were used as derogatory terms without anyone standing up to the use up until recently.

I’m not bothered about the gay community celebrating that they can be far freer to be the actual human beings they are without fear of vilification or being shamed for it once a year.
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I have several gay friends of both genders ( yes there are only 2). They actually hate all this Pride stuff, and have a particular loathing for the Trans Community.
Funny isnt it, a bit like your comment regarding the N word, Queers for Palestine seem very keen to use the Q word these days.
Dan, do you believe that tax payers money should be spent painting public vehicles in Pride/ Trans colours or that on duty Police Officers should be doing the Macarena?
 
DanH said:
Just horrible people celebrating who they are as human beings and being happy, isn’t it?
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Well they can celebrate quietly on their own. “ we want to looked at as normal” so let’s do something that straight people don’t do and highlight we are actually different. Alphabets can do one and tbh gays don’t want association with these loons generally.
 
Stirlingsays said:
'Celebrating homosexuality' helps lower the birth rate.

It's one of the biggest and most pointed of criticisms that both neo and social liberalism are responsible for.

If modern ideas on how to regard homosexuality convinces one bisexual female to choose a homosexual relationship during her fertile years rather than a heterosexual one then it's a indictment of society.

No one I know is advocating for homosexuals to be treated poorly. In my opinion they should be treated the same as others, except for minor differences in the current marriage laws.

I don't know that I would ban their weirdo 'pride' marches, however it's certainly something society should ignore for its own health. I'd let them have their weird nightclubs and essentially go back to what it was like in the 80s....This charge of homosexuals being hated is overblown. They are probably more disliked now because of the behaviour of their activists online....the pronoun and trans stuff.

But going back to the fundamental point is that the massive destruction of the birth rate is existential for societies.....changes in attitudes towards homosexuality is one factor in that destruction....not the largest one but it still factors.

You may consider yourself a good person for this idea that hurty words aimed at homosexuals by morons is massively important.....However you know what I consider far far more important?

The fact that the destruction of the birth rate means no pensions for the next generation.

No next generation of children to look after nor pay for all these old people.

That will be real suffering.....not hurty words.

In fact I'd go so far to call that evil as an outcome.....not intentional perhaps but pretty dim and incredibly selfish.
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Do you actually think it ‘encourages’ people to be gay?

You think people attend a pride event and go ‘you know what, I’ll decide to be gay from this moment onwards’?
 
DanH said:
Being gay was literally illegal in this country until 1967. Was still vilified during the aids crisis. Words like ‘poof ‘, ‘queer’ and ‘bender’ were used as derogatory terms without anyone standing up to the use up until recently.

I’m not bothered about the gay community celebrating that they can be far freer to be the actual human beings they are without fear of vilification or being shamed for it once a year.
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Being gay has never been illegal in this country.
Homosexual intercourse (buggery) was illegal and in 1885 that law was extended to include 'homosexual acts of gross indecency'.
 
georgenorman said:
Being gay has never been illegal in this country.
Homosexual intercourse (buggery) was illegal and in 1885 that law was extended to include 'homosexual acts of gross indecency'.
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So people were allowed to be gay but not allowed to express themselves in actually being gay? Right.
 
DanH said:
So people were allowed to be gay but not allowed to express themselves in actually being gay? Right.
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That's right, they could not legally indulge in homosexual sex but they could be as gay as they liked in every other way. Perfectly fine to go around saying "I'm the only gay in the village", but of course, before 1967, they might have had to explain their misuse of the English language.
 
DanH said:
Do you actually think it ‘encourages’ people to be gay?
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Of course it does.

If you take a position on something...and in this case you used the word, 'celebrate'. then that obviously encourages young people to regard a non reproductive sexuality as a relationship equal to any other......you are saying it yourself.

Amongst females that are bisexual....and if you know anything about female sexuality that can be significant......it obviously will have an effect. On average, women, more than males are effected by what's regarded as socially acceptable.

Like I said, I look at the practical consequences....not the emotional ones.

Society should be doing all it can to encourage and 'celebrate' reproduction. (the latter always sounds a ridiculous and childish ways to view sexuality to my ears by the way). Musk is completely right about that.

The consequences of the birth rate are catastrophic for coming generations and far outweigh 'feelings'.

When people look back at these times they can at least count me as amongst those who called out this madness out. And again, don't mistake me, I understand that sexuality messaging is only one input into the disaster of the birth rate.

But we should be moving heaven and earth to reverse it......its effects will visit poverty and suffering on a vast amount of people.

You will be young enough and probably see that more than me. They think there's is a social care problem now....It's going to be so much worse.


DanH said:
You think people attend a pride event and go ‘you know what, I’ll decide to be gay from this moment onwards’?
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No.

If you read what I wrote I didn't suggest banning those weird events.....though some of the sexual stuff that goes on in America is public indecency.....No I'm not going to infringe on a homosexual's life....if you are gay that's just what you are, go live your life. Like I said I'd go back to the 80s.

What I'd is change is what the state encourages and presents as the ideal for society. Thatcher was right on section 28. I would also change things to encourage young couples to reproduce....it's too important not too.

The average of each female producing over two children in stable marriages....isn't always possible.....but that would be the state's message. A message that was normal for countless generations and allowed humans to reproduce themselves and create every benefit we have.
 
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DanH said:
So people were allowed to be gay but not allowed to express themselves in actually being gay? Right.
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I don't think anyone is saying we should ban homosexuality. Thatcher voted to legalise it herself.

I'm about as anti communist as it gets, but I've always agreed, as did the social conservatives all though the history of Britain....that they are allowed to operate freely. As they were and still do....headquartered in London....funded by the usual suspects.

You don't have to agree with something to allow it.....that's what a free society is meant to be.

Under social 'liberalism' that's not been the direction of travel and people get sent to jail for tweets today and the state employs 'nudge units' to manipulate public opinion....without telling them, which is fundamentally dishonest.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Of course it does.

If you take a position on something...and in this case you used the word, 'celebrate'. then that obviously encourages young people to regard a non reproductive sexuality as a relationship equal to any other......you are saying it yourself.

Amongst females that are bisexual....and if you know anything about female sexuality that can be significant......it obviously will have an effect. On average, women, more than males are effected by what's regarded as socially acceptable.

Like I said, I look at the practical consequences....not the emotional ones.

Society should be doing all it can to encourage and 'celebrate' reproduction. (the latter always sounds a ridiculous and childish ways to view sexuality to my ears by the way). Musk is completely right about that.

The consequences of the birth rate are catastrophic for coming generations and far outweigh 'feelings'.

When people look back at these times they can at least count me amongst those called out this madness out. And again, don't mistake me the sexuality madness is only one input into the disaster of the birth rate.

But we should be moving heaven and earth to reverse it......its effects will visit poverty and suffering on a vast amount of people.

You will be young enough and probably see that more than me. They think there's is a social care problem now....It's going to be so much worse.




No.

If you read what I wrote I didn't suggest banning those weird events.....though some of the sexual stuff that goes on in America is public indecency.....No I'm not going to infringe on a homosexual's life....if you are gay that's just what you are, go live your life. Like I said I'd go back to the 80s.

What I'd is change is what the state encourages and presents as the ideal for society. Thatcher was right on section 28. I would also change things to encourage young couples to reproduce....it's too important not too.

The average of each female producing over two children in stable marriages....isn't always possible.....but that would be the state's message. A message that was normal for countless generations and allowed humans to reproduce themselves and create every benefit we have.
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If you want the birth rate to increase I would suggest you start looking at economic conditions which make having children extremely financially unviable until later on in life rather than a pride event.
 
DanH said:
If you want the birth rate to increase I would suggest you start looking at economic conditions which make having children extremely financially unviable until later on in life rather than a pride event.
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I would agree with you that this is obviously the most important aspect.

However, I think you are incorrect to ignore the social messaging that is required to encourage reproduction.

The state and corporations have literally been pumping out anti natalist messaging for decades now. It's not an accident it's a mindset.....and a disastrous and short term one....like hedge fund managers only interested in that year's bonus.

The fact that you don't take against it and if anything have a 'meh' attitude on it is more concerning to me given the frankly astoundingly obvious consequences of it. But it's probably because the ideology you have supported has actively taken this route out of a focus on 'individualism'.....For me 'individualism' isn't bad, but when it destroys the future on birth rates it is.

This shouldn't be a left or right issue.

The people who reproduce more will be the religious and traditionalist types....so if anything the left should agree with me.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I would agree with you that this is obviously the most important aspect.

However, I think you are incorrect to ignore the social messaging that is required to encourage reproduction.

The state and corporations have literally been pumping out anti natalist messaging for decades now. It's not an accident it's a mindset.....and a disastrous and short term one....like hedge fund managers only interested in that year's bonus.

The fact that you don't take against it and if anything have a 'meh' attitude on it is more concerning to me given the frankly astoundingly obvious consequences of it. But it's probably because the ideology you have supported has actively taken this route out of a focus on 'individualism'.....For me 'individualism' isn't bad, but when it destroys the future on birth rates it is.

This shouldn't be a left or right issue.

The people who reproduce more will be the religious and traditionalist types....so if anything the left should agree with me.
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Make society an easier and cheaper place to own a house and then have kids and people will have them earlier in life and more of them. It’s literally that simple.
 
DanH said:
Being gay was literally illegal in this country until 1967. Was still vilified during the aids crisis. Words like ‘poof ‘, ‘queer’ and ‘bender’ were used as derogatory terms without anyone standing up to the use up until recently.

I’m not bothered about the gay community celebrating that they can be far freer to be the actual human beings they are without fear of vilification or being shamed for it once a year.
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Right so since years before I was born it's always been legal to be gay and frankly, nobody in my generation ever cared if you're gay or not.

Can you think of any other changes in legislation from nearly a lifetime ago that are celebrated for one entire month and where non participation is considered potentially criminal?

Even mourning our war dead is only about a week.
 
Spindle said:
Right so since years before I was born it's always been legal to be gay and frankly, nobody in my generation ever cared if you're gay or not.

Can you think of any other changes in legislation from nearly a lifetime ago that are celebrated for one entire month and where non participation is considered potentially criminal?

Even mourning our war dead is only about a week.
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It has never been illegal to be a homosexual in this country.
 
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