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War in Ukraine

I suspect that Russia only have the upper hand because the West has only been playing at supporting Ukraine so far. It has been a slow them down and drain resources mission. Presumably the hope was that Putin would become frustrated and find a way to save face while withdrawing.
The question is whether America will allow Ukraine to fall. What would that mean in the longer term?

The concern is that if Putin persists, the West will bring much more hardware to the battlefield and make a much stronger stand.
We have already allowed Russia and China to gain strong influence in parts of Africa with plentiful natural resources. They are on the march. This game is not one we can lose.
Lots of interesting points there.

Ukraine is a huge sunken cost problem now.....As someone who never supported the policies that brought us to this point and having predicted where we are now years ago on here, I can't say I'm for continuing the policy of hole digging.....but I have little doubt it'll be attempted for a bit longer yet. Hell, Trump isn't in office for another two and a half months.

Trump is much more of an American isolationist than the globalist world view but I can't say what view he'll come to....In a way his unpredictability will weigh in his favour but I guess only time will tell.

I tend towards the idea that he won't escalate....his base aren't interested in continuing what they see as a cold war and I suspect that Trump will see what deals can be made out there.
 

Biden authorises Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike Russia - reportspublished at 18:45
18:45Breaking​


US President Joe Biden has given the green light for Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike Russia, according to US media reports.

There is no formal confirmation by the White House or the Pentagon of the move which would be a major change of US policy.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has been urging for months for these restrictions on long-range missiles to be lifted, allowing Ukraine to target locations inside Russia.

 
Nothing good can come from this for us.
Oh it can.

It means Putin doesn’t hold all the chips when the hard negotiations start.

It also means Trump would have to make his debt to Putin seem even more obvious should he decide to withdraw the permission.

When the bottom line is ensuring Ukraine survives as a buffer between democratic governments and totalitarianism how to manage the impact of Trump’s second coming is something that is doubtless now being discussed between the NATO leaders. I guess this is part of that response.
 
Watch out for a massive hike in petrol pump prices, energy bills, and foodstuffs.

Just before WW3

I had considered that Biden might do this because.....well because his administration are proven in being terrible and making horrible messes. Once again it's huge risk taking and gamblers aren't leaders.

As you have said here and as I've stated myself, nothing good comes from this....it's all about just how bad it'll be, which isn't knowable yet.

It can't change the course of the war in Ukraine, however it probably cements retaliation in now, which could lead to who knows what. What form that takes we don't know.

In my view not enough people spoke up against the neo cons because this is not a good position to be in at all.

The worst elites I've ever known.
 
I suspect that Russia only have the upper hand because the West has only been playing at supporting Ukraine so far. It has been a slow them down and drain resources mission. Presumably the hope was that Putin would become frustrated and find a way to save face while withdrawing.
The question is whether America will allow Ukraine to fall. What would that mean in the longer term?

The concern is that if Putin persists, the West will bring much more hardware to the battlefield and make a much stronger stand.
We have already allowed Russia and China to gain strong influence in parts of Africa with plentiful natural resources. They are on the march. This game is not one we can lose.
Russia and China have a lot in common. Vast behemoths, vast resources and vast international clout.

And a history of invasion with consequent humiliation and limitless suffering they do their best to dress up as "victory".

And both understand the critical, strategic need to have client states buffering their borders.

Chinese influence in Africa is economic with a mix of geo political whereas Russia largely follows the cold war pattern of just the latter. However, closer to home, China has proven themselves to be more combative since Korea to keep a halo of control around their border for their security.

But Russia is all that. Stalin's occupation of the whole of eastern Europe was an exaggerated example; but Putin knows he does not have 400 heavily armed divisions in the field occupying barely functioning countries like Stalin had in 1945. His ambitions are far more nuanced and hemmed in by the resources he has and the resources and readiness and, most importantly, alliances most of his neighbouring countries have.

Thus, he will just have to lump it when it comes to Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. I think it largely propaganda by us scaring us into believing that if he takes Ukraine, the Russian juggernaut would continue its march to the Atlantic.

But he will be damned if he is going to allow fellow Slavic nations like Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus, all stuffed with Russians, to fall under Western control with the risk of having a NATO country on his doorstep.

I suspect the current Western policy is to grind down Russian resources so they have little choice but to accept modest, face-saving gains in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. That is a realistic and sensible end to all this, despite Zelensky's protestations. He should consider himself fortunate and be very grateful to the West that he has any country left to govern.
 
I suspect the current Western policy is to grind down Russian resources so they have little choice but to accept modest, face-saving gains in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. That is a realistic and sensible end to all this, despite Zelensky's protestations. He should consider himself fortunate and be very grateful to the West that he has any country left to govern.

Zelensky sold continuing the war on victory against Russia, pushing them out and better conditions than what was offered in 2022.

I imagine any agreement to stop the war would require a national vote. What is going to be offered to the Ukrainian people is the choice between a sh1t sandwich and a sh1tter sandwich of continuing a war they can't win: losing territory and lives.

There is no way Zelensky survives continuing in power post an agreement with Russia that is worse than 2022.....too many graveyards filled with too many dead for that. His and the US's problem is that 2022 position is long gone. An agreement that reflects reality would cause internal strife and Nato would have to bring forces into the country to stop an overthrow....which would be drastic and frankly illegal.

Ukraine is going to be a failed state propped up by mainly EU borrowed money as the Americans will cut and run.

This was really poor decision making pretty much from the start by gamblers who leave us in much worse positions.
 
Zelensky sold continuing the war on victory against Russia, pushing them out and better conditions than what was offered in 2022.

I imagine any agreement to stop the war would require a national vote. What is going to be offered to the Ukrainian people is the choice between a sh1t sandwich and a sh1tter sandwich of continuing a war they can't win: losing territory and lives.

There is no way Zelensky survives continuing in power post an agreement with Russia that is worse than 2022.....too many graveyards filled with too many dead for that. His and the US's problem is that 2022 position is long gone. An agreement that reflects reality would cause internal strife and Nato would have to bring forces into the country to stop an overthrow....which would be drastic and frankly illegal.

Ukraine is going to be a failed state propped up by mainly EU borrowed money as the Americans will cut and run.

This was really poor decision making pretty much from the start by gamblers who leave us in much worse positions.
That is the negative.

The positive is Russia will be too exhausted and bruised to move beyond what little is seizes.

And the war will end together with all the horrors it brings.

Sadly, for the West, the biggest positives will be reduced food and fuel costs, an opening up of trade and perhaps another half generation of relative peace and economic stability.
 
That is the negative.

The positive is Russia will be too exhausted and bruised to move beyond what little is seizes.

And the war will end together with all the horrors it brings.

Sadly, for the West, the biggest positives will be reduced food and fuel costs, an opening up of trade and perhaps another half generation of relative peace and economic stability.

Russia's military is much bigger than it was and is benefiting from Russia putting 40 percent of its GDP into a war economy but I largely agree with your analysis. It isn't sustainable without significant problems for much longer than....well in my view a year. Problem for Ukraine is that they are already at that position and worse.

However, as Russia view this war as existential, just as Ukraine do, they would do that if they had too as....just as with Zelensky....the outcome defines what happens to the whole leadership there as well.

That said I agree that Russia isn't interested in moving west beyond the Ukraine issue. Putin isn't stupid, going beyond ethnically Russian areas would just involve huge risks and be diminishing returns for Russia. They would have to revert to USSR type social conditions for no real gain, Putin's legacy has been in increasing the standard of living from the 90s and he will want to get back to that.
 

Always book a ground floor Hotel room in Russia, just in case you might accidently fall out of a window.
I've said is before, there need to be a proper investigation by the Russians into the window making sector, their quality standards are shocking.
 
There is no fool like an old fool and Biden's foreign policy has been a disaster for the world.

There's no limits to USA madness.

War-mongering psychopaths in love with conflict and power.

😎
 
I had considered that Biden might do this because.....well because his administration are proven in being terrible and making horrible messes. Once again it's huge risk taking and gamblers aren't leaders.

As you have said here and as I've stated myself, nothing good comes from this....it's all about just how bad it'll be, which isn't knowable yet.

It can't change the course of the war in Ukraine, however it probably cements retaliation in now, which could lead to who knows what. What form that takes we don't know.

In my view not enough people spoke up against the neo cons because this is not a good position to be in at all.

The worst elites I've ever known.
Biden hasn’t done this!

It would have been discussed and agreed within NATO following Trump’s elevation.
 
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