Stirlingsays
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It's funny because it's true.oh no. Will Ireland be getting invaded by a ton of aggressive foreign military-age men ?
sigh.....
Also sadly tragic.
It's funny because it's true.oh no. Will Ireland be getting invaded by a ton of aggressive foreign military-age men ?
sigh.....
Link doesn’t work.This is an interesting development....
IMF to visit Russia
Perhaps not as eye-grabbing as the reports on the fighting but an interesting reaction from the Western nations to it. Given we are told Russia is on its knees economically and how much sanctions are hurting it then surely official confirmation of that by the IMF would be welcome? LOL.
Link doesn’t work.
Not working. You’ve probably been banned from accessing The Guardian.
If anything was learned from WW2 it was appeasement with a tyrant (your solution) does not work. “NATO expansion “ is simply former Soviet occupied countries seeking protection from their occupiers. But you know that really don’t you.Wall Street Journal: Trump's team is discussing a new plan to end the conflict in Ukraine, which proposes:
- freezing hostilities;
- giving Russia the currently occupied territories (about 20% of Ukraine) and forcing Ukraine to refuse to join NATO for at least 20 years;
The US, in turn, will continue to supply Ukraine with weapons to "contain" Russia. A demilitarized zone of 1,200 km will also be created.
Yeah, it certainly didn't work.If anything was learned from WW2 it was appeasement with a tyrant (your solution) does not work. “NATO expansion “ is simply former Soviet occupied countries seeking protection from their occupiers. But you know that really don’t you.
If anything was learned from WW2 it was appeasement with a tyrant (your solution) does not work. “NATO expansion “ is simply former Soviet occupied countries seeking protection from their occupiers. But you know that really don’t you.
The idea that using weapons supplied by another country is an act of war is hardly credible.Well, if this puts us all into war, which goes badly I hope certain people are satisfied and are prepared to pay the personal price of it.
I and others can say we never agreed with any of this.
It's the extent of it.The idea that using weapons supplied by another country is an act of war is hardly credible.
Putin cannot win a conflict with the West and he knows it. He is counting on our fear of escalation.
His own concerns about it didn't stop him employing North Korean troops
or supplying missiles to Iran.
The best outcome for everyone would be getting around a table to agree a withdrawal of troops with some concessions by the West. First and foremost, not letting Ukraine join NATO or interfering in their internal politics.
I suspect that Russia only have the upper hand because the West has only been playing at supporting Ukraine so far. It has been a slow them down and drain resources mission. Presumably the hope was that Putin would become frustrated and find a way to save face while withdrawing.It's the extent of it.
Nearly all of Ukraine's weapons and economy is being supplied and propped up by....mainly America and to a smaller extent the EU via taxpayers. Otherwise Ukraine would have been defeated a long time ago......So when we talk about who is involved in this war and killing Russians, when we know the satellite information is being plotted and provided, that systems are being directed.....that isn't Ukraine....So obviously the Russians themselves have a different perspective on that.
Well personally I'd prefer it if foreign involvement had stayed out because Ukraine would still be a viable country. But our leaders beginning with Bush decided differently. Regardless now that it's a cold war Putin is making agreements with western enemies which didn't exist before. So he's employing North Korean troops, however let's be fair Ukraine have been employing foreigners in legions both officially and unofficially since the war started. Our own special forces have been over there and it's been largely kept quiet about.
I'd also agree that ending the war right now is by far the best outcome. However, it was realistic in 2022 and agreement was partly reached before Johnson and Biden intervened. Now, looking at the battlefield it's going to be very very difficult....Russia are winning quite significantly and convincing them to stop when they have Ukraine on the ropes won't be easy.....I suspect that if the boot was on the other foot Ukraine would be the same...Russia obviously aren't going to leave a battlefield situation where Ukraine can later reclaim the taken territories and I don't see Ukraine issuing a statement recognizing them as Russian now.
So it's difficult, but I hope you are right and the war can be brought to an end. I just don't see that as easy.