Villa v Maccabi

silvertop said:
Who has used either on here? I am not saying they haven't, I just want to know where it is and what it was.

Thus, complaining about a school full of innocent children being killed every week is not antisemitism.

Complaining about the current Israel government opportunistically turning justifiable payback and defence into ethnic cleansing and a land grab is not antisemitism.

Calling out a man continuing to prosecute this campaign not out of a desire to protect his people but to protect his fragile government is not antisemitism.

Attacking a policy of withholding aid and medicine from a people who will die without either is not antisemitism.

Yet that is the allegation I see every day on this thread.

(I highlighted the above words as no government would have done nothing about Oct 7 - including ours).
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I’m not sure ours would
 
silvertop said:
No they are not. The "recovery" of the land has been openly stated by members of the Cabinet.

A failure to comment on atrocity X does not mean you cannot comment on atrocity Y.

I have re-read my post and note that I said precisely nothing about "Jews controlling US politics". In fact I have repeatedly stated that the current government's stance is more dictated by its evangelical base.

And I said earlier today in a response to your post that I was not OK about banning Maccabi fans.
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You have made the politics point on the Israel v Hamas thread.

Recovery is not the same as land grab. To be specific, which land are you referring to?

Yes I think holding Israel to a different standard to other nations is bigoted.

Ok, cool you're not ok about banning the fans. You're a proper football man. 👍🏻
 
HKOwen said:
Almost evreyone in Israel is ex or current IDF you complete numpty, they have conscription.

Are you thinking of standing for President of the Oxford Union by any chance Rodney
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I'm well aware of that - it was kind of my point. I know about the concription. Having a different opinion to you doesn't make me stupid. But I guess it's fine to just throw insults at each other now? ok.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
I expect he has staff tasked with overseeing such things. Just as others have staff posting messages on social media in their name!
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Israel has one of the best funded PR machines in the world - they care deeply about the press they receive. In fact they're obsessed with it. Netenyaho recently admitted on camera to having a paid pool of youtube podcasters / influencers in their pocket. e.g Ben Shapiro and others.
Propoaganda is one of Israels biggest tools.
 
hackney-viking-eagle said:
Israel has one of the best funded PR machines in the world - they care deeply about the press they receive. In fact they're obsessed with it. Netenyaho recently admitted on camera to having a paid pool of youtube podcasters / influencers in their pocket. e.g Ben Shapiro and others.
Propoaganda is one of Israels biggest tools.
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They're not doing a very good job.
 
silvertop said:
It is a bit more complicated.

There are undoubtedly those who want to ban Maccabi fans because they are against the actions of the Israeli government. Not me. I don't agree with targeting the people of a country for the actions of its rulers (kind of the argument I have on Palestinians and Hamas).

There are also those concerned with keeping good order in Birmingham who also want to ban them but for a very different reason (and nothing to do with any view on Israel, Gaza or jews). Maybe you?

I don't think anyone on here wants to ban them because they are jews. Thus, you might question the word "blatant" as that presupposes a genuine hatred of jews. Indirect prejudice may be more accurate.

As an aside, I have said it before but the subversion over the last few years (and it is only that) of where antisemitism lives and breeds has been remarkable. In my lifetime and for the previous millennia, it was a core trope of the right. The left were traditionally protectors of the jews and its ranks were filled with jews. Now, on an enemy of my enemy basis, suddenly Israel and the jews are supported by the right with fingers pointed at the left. Jews must be very confused.

Let us call it out. This finger pointing and limitless defence of Israel is Islamophobia or, at best, an unflinching support for an attack on Jihadi terror regardless of the collateral cost. I am happy to be disproved, but the many defenders of the IDF would not be happy if so many children were being killed elsewhere. They are content in this case as it is considered a fair cost to end Islamic terror.

That is what the debate should be. Is it fair or not fair. The finger pointing is pointless.
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There is no such thing.

There is a fear of Islamist terrorists, rapists and murderers. A new example is in the news most days.

Meanwhile, you are still making the same biased arguments criticising our allies.

Ultimately, you would rather bleat about one side in a war for survival rather than recognise the bigger picture.
 
hackney-viking-eagle said:
Israel has one of the best funded PR machines in the world - they care deeply about the press they receive. In fact they're obsessed with it. Netenyaho recently admitted on camera to having a paid pool of youtube podcasters / influencers in their pocket. e.g Ben Shapiro and others.
Propoaganda is one of Israels biggest tools.
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Must be taking tips from mayor khant about PR machines !
 
Spiderman said:
I wonder if he supports Maccabi?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israeli professor says activists 'threatened to chop off his head'

Michael Ben-Gad, an economics lecturer at City University in London , has been branded a 'terrorist' and has faced calls to be sacked because he served in the Israel Defence Forces from 1982 to 1985.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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most of the best economists support Maccabi or Spurs. Instead of wanting to behead him, perhaps the students should have listened to him ?

en.wikipedia.org

Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
chris123 said:
Is there an exemption for some ultra orthodox?
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Under a special arrangement (Torato Umanuto), male Haredi students who were issued a draft notice could be granted a total exemption from service so long as they remained enrolled at their yeshiva for religious studies. In June 2024, Israel's Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Haredi Jews were eligible for compulsory service, ending nearly eight decades of exemption.

So answer is no per wiki
 
silvertop said:
I seem to recall our troops spending rather a long time in Afghanistan.
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Fair point. Although probably not on point but not sure it was justified going into Afghanistan and certainly didn’t work out well. I was living in Pakistan in 2001, prior to this there were no real problems, we drove up the Khyber pass to the Afghan border and spent the Millennium in Peshawar. Although tbf parts of Northern Pakistan were always off limits
 
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