VAR

[Phil’s Barber]

Clear & Obvious should not introduce subjectivity - the clue is in the title.

The PGMOL have always emphasised (and still do) that VAR should not interfere with the referee’s decision unless there is a Clear & Obvious Error. VAR should also NOT re-referee the game.

Why is it so difficult for them to stick to that?! We have regressed to the other end of the scale, in that VAR looks at everything in immediate review and essentially re-referee’s the game. This is wrong and completely at odds with what they said it was for.

Stick to a clear and obvious error. If they can’t, get rid of it because it is absolutely killing the game!

As a number of pundits have observed; the managers don’t like it, the players don’t like it and the supporters don’t like it.

 

[Willo]

Clear & Obvious should not introduce subjectivity - the clue is in the title.

The PGMOL have always emphasised (and still do) that VAR should not interfere with the referee’s decision unless there is a Clear & Obvious Error. VAR should also NOT re-referee the game.

Why is it so difficult for them to stick to that?! We have regressed to the other end of the scale, in that VAR looks at everything in immediate review and essentially re-referee’s the game. This is wrong and completely at odds with what they said it was for.

Stick to a clear and obvious error. If they can’t, get rid of it because it is absolutely killing the game!

As a number of pundits have observed; the managers don’t like it, the players don’t like it and the supporters don’t like it.

What is "Clear and obvious" to one is sometimes not "Clear and Obvious" to another.
One can deem it was an error and it was "Clear and obvious" another can decide whilst it was an error it was not "Clear and obvious".
One hears all this jargon about "High Bar" etc etc, perhaps more phraseology will soon be introduced !

I have been in conversation with a plethora of erudite souls about VAR and the majority view is that it has ruined football as a spectacle.
I recall one commenting that the law makers have introduced initiatives to speed up the game, the latest being the 8 second rule for goalkeepers, yet there are VAR interruptions to check offsides, goals and of course referees being advised to consult the monitor.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What is "Clear and obvious" to one is sometimes not "Clear and Obvious" to another.
One can deem it was an error and it was "Clear and obvious" another can decide whilst it was an error it was not "Clear and obvious".
One hears all this jargon about "High Bar" etc etc, perhaps more phraseology will soon be introduced !

But it's that subjectivity which is the main problem. You might not agree that the bar is higher for big clubs but everyone else does.
When a Liverpool player is deemed offside because his shoulder is in front of an opponent just over the halfway line or Man City have a goal disallowed as we did at Chelsea it might have a bit more credence.

 

[Spindle]

They should just use the foot position for offside though. All this nonsense about shoulders, arms and arses is a waste of time.

It makes no difference, the tech is there already and covers all

 

[Spindle]

A few years ago Graeme Souness suggested that the ruling should be changed as follows :

If any part of the striker is onside, so the foot could be behind that line but most of the body is beyond it, the goal should be allowed to stand.I do not know if he still holds this view.

That would change f*** all, you're just drawing the line in a different place

 

[Spindle]

What is "Clear and obvious" to one is sometimes not "Clear and Obvious" to another.
One can deem it was an error and it was "Clear and obvious" another can decide whilst it was an error it was not "Clear and obvious".
One hears all this jargon about "High Bar" etc etc, perhaps more phraseology will soon be introduced !

I have been in conversation with a plethora of erudite souls about VAR and the majority view is that it has ruined football as a spectacle.
I recall one commenting that the law makers have introduced initiatives to speed up the game, the latest being the 8 second rule for goalkeepers, yet there are VAR interruptions to check offsides, goals and of course referees being advised to consult the monitor.

I get your point. Some people on here are clearly and obviously bellends who defend this shite at every turn, yet it's neither clear nor obvious to them.

 

[Willo]

'VAR getting us more right decisions but fan experience can improve'

Premier League’s Chief Football Officer Tony Scholes says that VAR is helping, but the in-stadium experience and time for decisions can improve

www.premierleague.com

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It makes no difference, the tech is there already and covers all

Well yes, but why? Why does it matter if a shoulder or a knee is offside?

 

[Badger11]

Well yes, but why? Why does it matter if a shoulder or a knee is offside?

Exactly. When it comes to offside I wish they would pick a body part and draw the line from there. In athletics when they cross the line together it is the chest. Nothing more annoying than an offside because of a player's hand or arm. You can't score from those so why is it relevant.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Exactly. When it comes to offside I wish they would pick a body part and draw the line from there. In athletics when they cross the line together it is the chest. Nothing more annoying than an offside because of a player's hand or arm. You can't score from those so why is it relevant.

Even in football it was always the chest that they used as offside, back in the good old days 👴🏻

 

[Willo]

Exactly. When it comes to offside I wish they would pick a body part and draw the line from there. In athletics when they cross the line together it is the chest. Nothing more annoying than an offside because of a player's hand or arm. You can't score from those so why is it relevant.

A player is only adjudged offside if parts of the body they can legally score with is in an offside position when the ball is played.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

A player is only adjudged offside if parts of the body they can legally score with is in an offside position when the ball is played.

How many goals are scored with the upper arm from the "T-shirt line" to the shoulder? Just because VAR can theoretically spot these technical infringements doesn't mean they have to interrupt the game to do so.

 

[cryrst]

Clear & Obvious should not introduce subjectivity - the clue is in the title.

The PGMOL have always emphasised (and still do) that VAR should not interfere with the referee’s decision unless there is a Clear & Obvious Error. VAR should also NOT re-referee the game.

Why is it so difficult for them to stick to that?! We have regressed to the other end of the scale, in that VAR looks at everything in immediate review and essentially re-referee’s the game. This is wrong and completely at odds with what they said it was for.

Stick to a clear and obvious error. If they can’t, get rid of it because it is absolutely killing the game!

As a number of pundits have observed; the managers don’t like it, the players don’t like it and the supporters don’t like it.

Are you sure labour don’t operate it. They have the same support as your last line 😀

 

[Lombardinho]

VAR is a cheating mechanism.
Always was.
Always will be.
Nobody in the footballing industry will say it is even though it's blindingly obvious.
Even Simon Jordan wouldn't be truthful about this. Not one pundit or journo would have the guts.
Why bite the hand that feeds them?

 

[Badger11]

A player is only adjudged offside if parts of the body they can legally score with is in an offside position when the ball is played.

I'm sure I have seen them given for a hand, arm or shoulder offside. Players left foot is offside but he scores with his head?

I still prefer a designated body part. I think Arsene Wenger also suggested this?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I'm sure I have seen them given for a hand, arm or shoulder offside. Players left foot is offside but he scores with his head?

I still prefer a designated body part. I think Arsene Wenger also suggested this?

It's the area above the imaginary T-shirt sleeve line on the arm that counts so when Bamford was penalised against us for pointing where he wanted the ball passed he was judged to have made his upper arm (the nominally goalscoring part of his arm) offside while it was outstretched.

 

[Spindle]

'VAR getting us more right decisions but fan experience can improve'

Premier League’s Chief Football Officer Tony Scholes says that VAR is helping, but the in-stadium experience and time for decisions can improve

www.premierleague.com

What that doesn't do is state WHEN it is used. So when they scrutinise or not, eg our free kick.

Don't you get that?

 

[Spindle]

Well yes, but why? Why does it matter if a shoulder or a knee is offside?

Completely different discussion though. You can also include "all the ball" and many other nuances if you like.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Completely different discussion though. You can also include "all the ball" and many other nuances if you like.

Just an excuse for VAR to involve itself. Offside wasn't previously given for shoulders and arms because A. No one cared and B. Linesmen couldn't see them.

 

[Spindle]

Exactly. When it comes to offside I wish they would pick a body part and draw the line from there. In athletics when they cross the line together it is the chest. Nothing more annoying than an offside because of a player's hand or arm. You can't score from those so why is it relevant.

What's the point? Really.

Do you think that'll change anything? It's like those mug calls for "pure daylight", as if everything would be fixed