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How long can you Trump fans ignore the obvious? He’s not the Messiah….

Ok you’re right wing but surely you could latch on to someone better than Trump.

Don’t you listen to his nonsensical speeches?
 
Eaglehamster said:
How long can you Trump fans ignore the obvious? He’s not the Messiah….

Ok you’re right wing but surely you could latch on to someone better than Trump.

Don’t you listen to his nonsensical speeches?
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The Left have been ignoring the obvious since 1917.
 
georgenorman said:
That's right, crow about some election thousands of miles away to deflect from the thumping the sort of nonsense you believe in got in the elections here. Just surprised you aren't praising the election results in North Korea.
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Perhaps because it was a general election in an ally, which followed the one in Canada which delivered a comparable result? Both of which have been put down to the “Trump” effect and this is the US thread.

All of which are rather more important that a series of local elections and a bye election here at a particularly unusual point in our political history. Interesting though that is.
 
Penge Eagle said:
Who?
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Look no further than John Bolton.

Right wing hawk to the core he is aggressively but objectively criticising Trump on a daily basis. He sees him for what he is and says so without compromising on the kind of values that those who believe in right wing politics hold dear.

You find his YouTube video interviews everywhere. He must do several every day.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Look no further than John Bolton.

Right wing hawk to the core he is aggressively but objectively criticising Trump on a daily basis. He sees him for what he is and says so without compromising on the kind of values that those who believe in right wing politics hold dear.

You find his YouTube video interviews everywhere. He must do several every day.
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I was never into his music really.
 
georgenorman said:
The Left have been ignoring the obvious since 1917.
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If the 'left' had not come about, we'd still be sending our 6yo children down the mines and into the mills, we'd have no benefits for those who have need (apart from the poorhouses), there'd be no housing for those in need, no NHS.

Yet there are still those who continue to slag it off, regardless.

If you'd be happy to return to those times, good for you, Georgie Boy.

And why 1917, in particular? Not the Bolshevik revolution, surely?
 
Glazier#1 said:
If the 'left' had not come about, we'd still be sending our 6yo children down the mines and into the mills, we'd have no benefits for those who have need (apart from the poorhouses), there'd be no housing for those in need, no NHS.

Yet there are still those who continue to slag it off, regardless.

If you'd be happy to return to those times, good for you, Georgie Boy.

And why 1917, in particular? Not the Bolshevik revolution, surely?
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Of course the Russian Revolution - that led to peasants eating their own children in the Socialist Utopia.
Of course we would not be sending children down mines if there had been no Left. It was Peel's Tory government that legislated to stop young children and females working underground.
The immense improvements in ordinary peoples' lives has come about due to Capitalism not the Left.
If the Conservatives had won the 1945 General Election there would have been an NHS - they had proposals in their manifesto for a health service that was almost identical to Labour's.
It is one of the great myths that the Left has generated progress.
 
georgenorman said:
Of course the Russian Revolution - that led to peasants eating their own children in the Socialist Utopia.
Of course we would not be sending children down mines if there had been no Left*. It was Peel's Tory government that legislated to stop young children and females working underground.
The immense improvements in ordinary peoples' lives has come about due to Capitalism not the Left.
If the Conservatives had won the 1945 General Election there would have been an NHS - they had proposals in their manifesto for a health service that was almost identical to Labour's.
It is one of the great myths that the Left has generated progress.
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No, not a myth. Many of those changes you name were brought about by pressure coming from within that capitalist core and doubtless from within that enclave those exerting that pressure would be seen as traitors pandering to the wishes of the feckless poor.

* but they were. And they certainly would have continued to put profit over lives; that’s what untrammelled capitalism does. Why would you pretend otherwise?
 
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Glazier#1 said:
No, not a myth. Many of those changes you name were brought about by pressure coming from within that capitalist core and doubtless from within that enclave those exerting that pressure would be seen as traitors pandering to the wishes of the feckless poor.

* but they were. And they certainly would have continued to put profit over lives; that’s what untrammelled capitalism does. Why would you pretend otherwise?
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Wilberforce, a Tory, did more than the Left of the time in abolishing slavery.
Untrammelled socialism, as demonstrated in the USSA, China, Cambodia etc puts their dogma over lives. Why do you think people in every Left country there has been sought to escape to capitalist countries?
 
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