US Politics

[eaglesdare]

Well, fair do's; you may not but look at the little legion on here that do. No?

And, tbf, Mr Trump does act in the most ridiculous fashion. We are not used to seeing such hostile bad-mouthing of anything he disagrees with, the laying on of hands with a foreign president and the haranguing that took place with Zelensky. Then, this obvious cock-up of the security meeting that is only met with, once again, shouty talk and the now tiresome act of calling all criticism of him "weaponising" etc, etc, etc; I mean, it just goes on.

I think there are many people who are moderate viewers with no axe to grind, who might feel uncomfortable watching such scenes.

Trump is no politician. He is a business man first.

He may say some crazy s***. A fair amount of it I agree with and some others I don't.
I like him overall he is blockbuster popcorn stuff.
He says a lot of stuff with glint in his eye in a way he winds up people. And he knows what he doing.

Like others have said you just have to judge him on actions and not what he says most of the time 😄

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You do have a very biased and myopic view on anything and everything that is said and done politically in the US.

The election of Trump was always going to come with drama, rapid action, promises kept and dare I mention it some chaos. That was a known fact and quite frankly preferable to most Americans than what had preceded.

The Democrats are a mess and the same idiotic anti Trump rhetoric is making them look even more unpopular over here!

Overall his election promise is being delivered and welcomed. I will preface that I am personally on the fence on a couple of major issues but recognize 60 days is not enough time to judge the outcome yet.

Hardly biased or myopic! Everything is in plain sight. Views are unnecessary.

Trump didn’t promise most of the things he is doing. In fact he promised the opposite to tanking the economy, which is the effect of it all. Tariffs hurt those who pay them. They raise prices. He didn’t promise to abandon allies and cosy up to Putin. He didn’t promise to implement Project 2025, he denied all knowledge of it.

I very much doubt that this is acceptable to most Americans. Some obviously but I have more faith in Americans as a whole than that.

Trying to shift the focus onto something else, like the Democrats, is exactly what the Trump mob do. Concentrate on them and their failures. I see no rhetoric at all from the tornado of criticism being delivered on him and his shadows, much of it not coming from Democrats at all but from well informed people who have worked closely for him in the past. Republicans all of them. John Bolton has no axe to grind other than a love of country, experience and the truth. Listen to him if not to me. He isn’t biased. He is informed.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well, fair do's; you may not but look at the little legion on here that do. No?

And, tbf, Mr Trump does act in the most ridiculous fashion. We are not used to seeing such hostile bad-mouthing of anything he disagrees with, the laying on of hands with a foreign president and the haranguing that took place with Zelensky. Then, this obvious cock-up of the security meeting that is only met with, once again, shouty talk and the now tiresome act of calling all criticism of him "weaponising" etc, etc, etc; I mean, it just goes on.

I think there are many people who are moderate viewers with no axe to grind, who might feel uncomfortable watching such scenes.

That’s an important point.

The indoctrinated hard core of his base, those who would truly be ok if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, will see no wrong but they aren’t the bulk of those who voted for him last time.

It’s them who will now be having pronounced second thoughts and political buyers regret. As soon as the Republicans in Congress realise Trump could take them down they will turn and exercise their Constitutional power. That’s when it gets juicy. The Democrats need to find a leader and to unite behind them.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That’s an important point.

The indoctrinated hard core of his base, those who would truly be ok if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, will see no wrong but they aren’t the bulk of those who voted for him last time.

It’s them who will now be having pronounced second thoughts and political buyers regret. As soon as the Republicans in Congress realise Trump could take them down they will turn and exercise their Constitutional power. That’s when it gets juicy. The Democrats need to find a leader and to unite behind them.

What choice did voters have? They didn't want Harris and Trump was the nominee.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think Trump second time around is far better for America than first time around. You only have to look at those who are squealing the most to know that.

What's better for America isn't always what is better for everyone else though, but that's not his job. He is meant to put his economy and nation first and not be a globalist fool like the rest of the west.....Who have ended up destroying their nations and finger pointing at others.

Regardless, the left literally put Trump in power. They were told to leave him alone but they couldn't help themselves. What they did was unprecedented and they have received their just deserts.

 

[eaglesdare]

I think Trump second time around is far better for America than first time around. You only have to look at those who are squealing the most to know that.

What's better for America isn't always what is better for everyone else though, but that's not his job. He is meant to put his economy and nation first and not be a globalist fool like the rest of the west.....Who have ended up destroying their nations and finger pointing at others.

Regardless, the left literally put Trump in power. They were told to leave him alone but they couldn't help themselves. What they did was unprecedented and they have received their just deserts.

I completely agree.

If other world leaders put their own country first instead of pandering to globalists and sending "aid" to other countries we wouldn't be in such a ridiculous position now with all the US tariffs coming out. Wouldn't it be great to have a leader who wants what's best for their own country and puts its own people first?

And yes they could have just left Trump alone after he "lost" the 2020 election but they decided to twist the knife and he came out fighting. They really did over play their hand.

I'm sure by the end of the year things will settle down to the new norm now.

 

[Glazier#1]

I completely agree.

If other world leaders put their own country first instead of pandering to globalists and sending "aid" to other countries we wouldn't be in such a ridiculous position now with all the US tariffs coming out. Wouldn't it be great to have a leader who wants what's best for their own country and puts its own people first?

And yes they could have just left Trump alone after he "lost" the 2020 election but they decided to twist the knife and he came out fighting. They really did over play their hand.

I'm sure by the end of the year things will settle down to the new norm now.

Why the inverted commas?

He was beaten.

 

[DanH]

I completely agree.

If other world leaders put their own country first instead of pandering to globalists and sending "aid" to other countries we wouldn't be in such a ridiculous position now with all the US tariffs coming out. Wouldn't it be great to have a leader who wants what's best for their own country and puts its own people first?

And yes they could have just left Trump alone after he "lost" the 2020 election but they decided to twist the knife and he came out fighting. They really did over play their hand.

I'm sure by the end of the year things will settle down to the new norm now.

Hahahaha. You still don’t think he lost the 2020 election.

So far gone.

 

[DanH]

Why the inverted commas?

He was beaten.

He hasn’t just drunk the Kool-Aid, he’s been injecting it intravenously.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Dan coming out with some good one liners.

There's stuff that could be said about what happened in 2020 but who cares now.....Trump's gonna change the voting rules so all the dodgy votes the Democrats rely on don't count.....No more postal votes....proof of identity required.

GOP for the next ten years baby!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What choice did voters have? They didn't want Harris and Trump was the nominee.

For whatever reason, and that can be debated for ever, they chose Trump. Whether they would today is also debatable but seems to me to be much less likely now they have reality staring at them, with many losing their jobs and most seeing the prospect of stagflation alongside today’s rising prices. Making extravagant promises is easy. Delivering on them, especially with the team he has chosen and the policies he has adopted, is much more difficult.

Trump won, but not by a landslide. It doesn’t need a huge shift and he slides and with him so do the Republicans in Congress.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I think Trump second time around is far better for America than first time around. You only have to look at those who are squealing the most to know that.

What's better for America isn't always what is better for everyone else though, but that's not his job. He is meant to put his economy and nation first and not be a globalist fool like the rest of the west.....Who have ended up destroying their nations and finger pointing at others.

Regardless, the left literally put Trump in power. They were told to leave him alone but they couldn't help themselves. What they did was unprecedented and they have received their just desserts.

It’s just not true. Trump is ruining American soft power around the world. They were admired and envied. That’s a disaster for America, in the mid to long term. In the short term creating chaos in world markets by starting trade wars will directly impact the US economy and not improve it.

If you look at those who are criticising him they include some highly experienced and well respected internationally known figures. People who actually understand how the world works rather than the know it all theorists who are wedded to their prejudices, rather than practicalities, who post in places like this. Just watch some of the John Bolton YouTube video interviews that are appearing daily. He is hardly left wing! Those interviewing are respected journalists like Andrew Marr. The criticism is very soundly founded.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I completely agree.

If other world leaders put their own country first instead of pandering to globalists and sending "aid" to other countries we wouldn't be in such a ridiculous position now with all the US tariffs coming out. Wouldn't it be great to have a leader who wants what's best for their own country and puts its own people first?

And yes they could have just left Trump alone after he "lost" the 2020 election but they decided to twist the knife and he came out fighting. They really did over play their hand.

I'm sure by the end of the year things will settle down to the new norm now.

The only reason he stood again was to avoid going to jail.

The only reason he was threatened with jail was because he broke the law.

The only reason he was prosecuted was because ex Presidents are not above the law. It was not a political decision. If the Democrats had acted in their own interests they would have stopped it. They didn’t because that would have been political interference.

Now he is President and dancing to the tune of Project 2025.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

For whatever reason, and that can be debated for ever, they chose Trump. Whether they would today is also debatable but seems to me to be much less likely now they have reality staring at them, with many losing their jobs and most seeing the prospect of stagflation alongside today’s rising prices. Making extravagant promises is easy. Delivering on them, especially with the team he has chosen and the policies he has adopted, is much more difficult.

Trump won, but not by a landslide. It doesn’t need a huge shift and he slides and with him so do the Republicans in Congress.

They chose Trump because they thought he was a better option than Harris. Trump can't run again anyway but it's still up to the Democrats to present a viable candidate. Which Harris patently wasn't.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They chose Trump because they thought he was a better option than Harris. Trump can't run again anyway but it's still up to the Democrats to present a viable candidate. Which Harris patently wasn't.

That’s debatable, although I doubt you will agree,

In my opinion they chose Trump because, like so many electorates, they decided to vote for change. They had been relentlessly sold the “Biden is incompetent” messaging and then Biden took too long before withdrawing. Harris was loyal to Biden and was associated with his image. She outdebated Trump and is a smart lady but they still rejected her. So this was less a rejection of her, or a desire to see Trump back, than a belief that change was a better option than the status quo.

Who the Democrats choose next is an open question but there are several very competent candidates. They need to get their act together and coalesce around a leader in the national and world’s interests. This is not a time for internal politics or post-mortems. This is a genuine crisis.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That’s debatable, although I doubt you will agree,

In my opinion they chose Trump because, like so many electorates, they decided to vote for change. They had been relentlessly sold the “Biden is incompetent” messaging and then Biden took too long before withdrawing. Harris was loyal to Biden and was associated with his image. She outdebated Trump and is a smart lady but they still rejected her. So this was less a rejection of her, or a desire to see Trump back, than a belief that change was a better option than the status quo.

Who the Democrats choose next is an open question but there are several very competent candidates. They need to get their act together and coalesce around a leader in the national and world’s interests. This is not a time for internal politics or post-mortems. This is a genuine crisis.

No I don't agree. She lost. To a candidate she could have beaten easily because her identity politics didn't chime with enough voters. If you want to place any blame for the current situation on anyone then put it on those who chose a candidate who could lose to Donald Trump.
US voters had already had a dose of his presidency and still elected him over Harris.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

with Biden & Harris, the lefties gifted the Presidency to Trump.

a bit like Michael Foot in the UK. The greatest gift ever to the Tories......a clown of a politician with nutty ideas.
In the US, people voted for Trump's policies...........knowing full-well him to be a bit rough around the edges.

The Democrats face another twenty years in the wilderness if they do not find a new Tony Blair........a lying salesman who talks a good talk.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

That’s debatable, although I doubt you will agree,

In my opinion they chose Trump because, like so many electorates, they decided to vote for change. They had been relentlessly sold the “Biden is incompetent” messaging and then Biden took too long before withdrawing. Harris was loyal to Biden and was associated with his image. She outdebated Trump and is a smart lady but they still rejected her. So this was less a rejection of her, or a desire to see Trump back, than a belief that change was a better option than the status quo.

Who the Democrats choose next is an open question but there are several very competent candidates. They need to get their act together and coalesce around a leader in the national and world’s interests. This is not a time for internal politics or post-mortems. This is a genuine crisis.

So being too incompetent then to realise. Kind of the point really.

I’m no Trump fan, but the Democrats had one foot blown off already when Harris picked up the gun. She then reloaded, took aim and then blew off the other one.

You can’t argue you are the candidate of change (which she tried) and then go into the studio next door and say “I wouldn’t have done anything different over the last 4 years”. Pick your camp.

She then went for beating Trump by arguing you she is the change candidate. The one area you won’t beat him on. Like it or not.

It’s the same reason the middle classes in nice suburbs won’t see the appeal in Nigel Farage. If you were in Clacton not Cornwall you might see things differently. If you’re seeing an influx of migration that is causing a decrease in standards you want to vote for who you perceive is going to look out best for you. Live in an area with middle class immigration, say 2nd holiday home areas, then your view will be different.

At the end of the day politics is about messages. When you patronise people for being stupid, then you drive them towards it. If 50%+ of people vote for something, that doesn’t make it wrong, that makes it right - whether you like the result or not - as the majority has spoken. We live in a democracy. I personally didn’t want a Labour government - but you know what we have one.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I see Usha Vance's trip to Greenland for a cultural experience is causing some concern, as now she has husband Vice-President James Vance , White House National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, Secretary of Energy Chris Wright and Republican Senator Mike Lee of Utah joining them.
I'm sure they're going to enjoy wonderful Greenland hospitality , at it's best. Although I'm thinking adding a big visit to a US military base , probably isn't the sort of cultural trip Usha Vance originally had in mind 🙂

 

[Badger11]

So being too incompetent then to realise. Kind of the point really.

I’m no Trump fan, but the Democrats had one foot blown off already when Harris picked up the gun. She then reloaded, took aim and then blew off the other one.

You can’t argue you are the candidate of change (which she tried) and then go into the studio next door and say “I wouldn’t have done anything different over the last 4 years”. Pick your camp.

She then went for beating Trump by arguing you she is the change candidate. The one area you won’t beat him on. Like it or not.

It’s the same reason the middle classes in nice suburbs won’t see the appeal in Nigel Farage. If you were in Clacton not Cornwall you might see things differently. If you’re seeing an influx of migration that is causing a decrease in standards you want to vote for who you perceive is going to look out best for you. Live in an area with middle class immigration, say 2nd holiday home areas, then your view will be different.

At the end of the day politics is about messages. When you patronise people for being stupid, then you drive them towards it. If 50%+ of people vote for something, that doesn’t make it wrong, that makes it right - whether you like the result or not - as the majority has spoken. We live in a democracy. I personally didn’t want a Labour government - but you know what we have one.

I think this was the moment she lost the election. She was ask in a soft ball interview if she would change anything from the Biden administration and she replied not a thing.

This was a massive political error and unnecessary. The voters understand that the VP is a largely symbolic role and many previous ones have complained how they hardly ever saw their President and were not involved in the big decisions.

So she did not have to be linked to the failures (as seen by the public) of the Biden Presidency. She could have used a form of words that allowed her to distance herself. However by saying "not a thing" she was telling the public she did not recognise their concerns over the economy and other issues, why would you vote for her then.

It was this and she never properly articulated her plan for the economy that probably pushed undecided voters towards Trump.