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Stirlingsays said:
I think the point you make strikes to the heart of the difference between his first administration and this one. Trump 1.0 didn't expect to win the White House and went in very reliant upon the default GOP, much of which didn't support him and indeed resented him. Consequently much of what he did in that first term was thwarted and stymied in a similar way to how the civil service and attendant bureaucracy works in our own country. This is highly undemocratic and is part of the realisation that real power isn't that interested in implementing democracy.

Trump 2.0 learnt from that experience and....with the help of the Democrat persecution of Trump.....enabled him to reframe the GOP as, 'if you aren't for Trump, you're for the Democrats' and thus get rid of any opposition to the America first agenda. I criticised this at the time as high risk and counter productive (again, it's this tendency to bet everything on red), as I myself wanted a younger generation of leaders not 'past their sale by daters' like Trump and Biden.

The kind of staff who were willing to stick with Trump had to endure persecution and attacks on their ability to make a living. Well, a consequence of that is that moderates are quickly removed and you are left with true believers.....many of whom Trump rewarded with jobs and real power.

Trump 2.0 is far happier to rely upon his administration and you get the impression that the administration is far more loyal to itself and more combative and less trusting....with good reason....towards outside input. For example, in the past, a pairing like Trump and Musk would have just never worked. However, the obvious attempts to cause problems just forges them together as they know that if they fall, everything falls.

Really, if the Democrats were bright, they would concentrate away from personal attacks and focus purely on policy and themselves.....but they can't do it....they would need to clear out a lot of their own power players and activists and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

So honestly, I see the Trump administration set good for a long time.....their biggest and most important work, alongside deportations, will be in voting reform to ensure that only those verified get to vote......If you have to turn up to vote in person then a Republican win is always far more likely.
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Yes, no room for any ‘moderates’ (your word not mine) in the Trumpets mindset: all the sticks joined together to make a strong handle for the axe.

“If you’re not with us, you’re against us” Great. No opposing view tolerated.
Along comes hubris as Trumpet is surrounded by ‘Yes” staff.

What times we live in, eh?
 
Glazier#1 said:
What a negative standpoint to take: not admitting fault simply not to be seen as having any opinion that might be shared by ‘Lefties’. Blinkered and craven.
What about sometimes agreeing with something without fear of what your bellow righties will think of you.
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You think you're Piers Morgan or something....are you gonna start tapping your forehead everytime you get stressed?

People do criticise Trump here, we just mostly don't agree with the criticism from the left....because the left are wrong most of the time.
 
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Glazier#1 said:
Yes, no room for any ‘moderates’ (your word not mine) in the Trumpets mindset: all the sticks joined together to make a strong handle for the axe.

“If you’re not with us, you’re against us” Great. No opposing view tolerated.
Along comes hubris as Trumpet is surrounded by ‘Yes” staff.

What times we live in, eh?
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As I said, Trump 2.0 is a creation of the Democrat's own making......As was Trump being successful in politics as well.

I don't think the idea that Trump is surrounded by 'yes' staff has actually ever been correct. I mean look at the freedom he's giving people like Musk, Kennedy, Vance and others. What's more true about Trump is that he really cares about trade, media and foreign affairs.....those are the areas in which he focuses on....quite frankly outside of that he lets his team decide....and it should be remembered that unlike Biden's administration he'd included former Democrats who disagree with him in areas.....which goes against what you are saying here.....Whereas on the Democrat side those voices get cancelled.

Nevertheless, I like the fascism metaphor but it's just a misunderstanding, sometimes deliberate of that movement.

Then again, most of the left and liberals don't actually know what fascism is.....they just think it's 'far right'....which is you know anything about its origins is quite amusing.
 
Stirlingsays said:
You think you're Piers Morgan or something....are you gonna start tapping your forehead everytime you get stressed?

People do criticise Trump, we just mostly don't agree with the criticism from the left....because the left are wrong most of the time.
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Sorry, that reference is lost on me, Lefty.

I'm not at all stressed but hat seems to be a common theme with you; my well-being. There, there. Let me ease your troubled mind: because I disagree doesn't make me in any way stressed or ill.

People do criticise Trump, just not anyone on here: too busy licking their lips at the prospect of someone proselytising fighting the 'Elite'.

I've always wondered who, specifically, that is. When I see that one of the big sponsors for Project 25 is Exon Oil. Well they would, wouldn't they? just so long as they can continue to make vast profits. They have what is commonly called a vested interest; of course they'll be lobbying for "Drill Drill Drill". It must be wonderful that their project can win the support of those against 'The Elite'. While I'm wondering, all the time: Aren't Exon Oil and it's lobbyists the Elite? I ask because, in this bandying of that word, we never hear any names mentioned. Surely it's the big multi nationals and the giant hedge funds that want to keep the profits rolling in over and above what's good for the likes of us.
 
Similarities with political opponents in the UK. The fact the Tories were abysmal let in Labour. And the Democrats won't take any blame for the act their incompetence let Trump in. The Democrats majorly failed, and they should take responsibility for that, instead of attacking Trump.
And Trump v2.0 is a lot more politically astute than people give him credit for. Of course he has failings too. Some of them quite significant and unpalatable. But the quality of opposition at the election was really really poor.
 
Stirlingsays said:
As I said, Trump 2.0 is a creation of the Democrat's own making......As was Trump being successful in politics as well.

I don't think the idea that Trump is surrounded by 'yes' staff has actually ever been correct. I mean look at the freedom he's giving people like Musk, Kennedy, Vance and others. What's more true about Trump is that he really cares about trade, media and foreign affairs.....those are the areas in which he focuses on....quite frankly outside of that he lets his team decide....and it should be remembered that unlike Biden's administration he'd included former Democrats who disagree with him in areas.....which goes against what you are saying here.....Whereas on the Democrat side those voices get cancelled.

Nevertheless, I like the fascism metaphor but it's just a misunderstanding, sometimes deliberate of that movement.

Then again, most of the left and liberals don't actually know what fascism is.....they just think it's 'far right'....which is you know anything about its origins is quite amusing.
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Err, exactly: 'yes' team.

Then again, you're just bandying words and semantics here. What we're seeing is a cult of personality, it's figurehead and his acolytes, pandering to their great leader; well rewarded for doing so, no doubt. The small percentage of elites that owns the most must be rubbing their hands. Less debate, more action to accrue even more power and wealth.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Similarities with political opponents in the UK. The fact the Tories were abysmal let in Labour. And the Democrats won't take any blame for the act their incompetence let Trump in. The Democrats majorly failed, and they should take responsibility for that, instead of attacking Trump.
And Trump v2.0 is a lot more politically astute than people give him credit for. Of course he has failings too. Some of them quite significant and unpalatable. But the quality of opposition at the election was really really poor.
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What are they? Go on: say it. Don't be scared of how the forum will feel towards you.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Err, exactly: 'yes' team.

Then again, you're just bandying words and semantics here. What we're seeing is a cult of personality, it's figurehead and his acolytes, pandering to their great leader; well rewarded for doing so, no doubt. The small percentage of elites that owns the most must be rubbing their hands. Less debate, more action to accrue even more power and wealth.
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Kennedy was literally running against Trump for the presidency a matter of months ago.....the disagreement with his policies is on record. Nevertheless, Trump gave him a major post in his government. You just ignore everything and waffle away with your tired and inaccurate stereotype.

What you appear to want is an administration at war with itself publicly......Weird, can you tell me which administration ever did that publicly and ended up doing well.

No, you can't, because it's as dim as a bag of bricks.
Governance isn't an Internet forum.
 
Nutmegyeti said:
So being too incompetent then to realise. Kind of the point really.

I’m no Trump fan, but the Democrats had one foot blown off already when Harris picked up the gun. She then reloaded, took aim and then blew off the other one.

You can’t argue you are the candidate of change (which she tried) and then go into the studio next door and say “I wouldn’t have done anything different over the last 4 years”. Pick your camp.

She then went for beating Trump by arguing you she is the change candidate. The one area you won’t beat him on. Like it or not.

It’s the same reason the middle classes in nice suburbs won’t see the appeal in Nigel Farage. If you were in Clacton not Cornwall you might see things differently. If you’re seeing an influx of migration that is causing a decrease in standards you want to vote for who you perceive is going to look out best for you. Live in an area with middle class immigration, say 2nd holiday home areas, then your view will be different.

At the end of the day politics is about messages. When you patronise people for being stupid, then you drive them towards it. If 50%+ of people vote for something, that doesn’t make it wrong, that makes it right - whether you like the result or not - as the majority has spoken. We live in a democracy. I personally didn’t want a Labour government - but you know what we have one.
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Being sold a message doesn’t mean it was true! Only that the electorate fell for it. I wanted Biden to stand aside as soon as he was elected. His job was then over. He had stopped a second bout of Trump and could then play a quiet safe pair of hands game whilst a new, younger, dynamic forward thinker was put in the public eye. That could have been Harris, but probably not. In the end it was too late and it needed to be her.

So if you want to blame anyone in the Democrats for this mess then blame Biden, not Harris.

Now the Democrats need to find their leader and coalesce around them, not just for their future but for the USA and the world. This is a critical moment.

No one, wherever they live, loses their capacity to think. We have people here who support Farage. Just not too many of them. It wouldn’t make the slightest difference to me how I think whether I lived in Clacton or Cornwall. I just wouldn’t live in Clacton through choice. That’s thinking for you! It’s not patronising to accept that not everyone thinks the same way and that some hold prejudices created by experience.

I didn’t want a Labour government either but I realise why we have one. Any government would be facing the same challenges and every opposition making their own, undeliverable, promises, whatever side of politics they come from.
 
Stirlingsays said:
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This isn't the bbs mate.
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yes, I'm aware of that. Now, much as enjoy watching you stepping in like his big brother, I'm sure that he's capable of answering for himself.
 
DanH said:
He's also visited Florida as many times as all other States combined, and not travelled outside the US yet.

What a trooper.

Edit: One of these trips was also to the Super Bowl. I hope he paid for his own ticket otherwise those on the Rachel Reeves thread are going to be fuming.
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Why would I be fuming? He is US President not a multi- millionaire UK Government minister
 
Stirlingsays said:
Seeing as you like asking questions so much, what do you agree with Trump on?
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Nothing so far.

I don't agree with singling out particular racial groups, like the Haitians, with smears.
If there is a problem with immigration, concentrate on the numbers, not on particular ethnicity.

I don't agree with visibly supporting the physical attacking of journalists (the ones they believe might give adverse news coverage) by his followers

I don't like the way he has operated as a leader of his armed militia that is not a government armed force.

I don't like the way that, before the blood is even dry, he blamed that awful crash on EDI.

I don't agree with his project 2025 proposal to replace civil service employees with 'nominated' staff.

I don't like the way he called on his militia to storm the Capital. Then he politely asks his storm forces ("You lovely people", or whatever he caressed them with) to disperse and go home.

I don't like the way he refused to accept his defeat in the previous election.

I don't like the way he carried on with that lie, even though no court in the country could uphold his protest.

I don't like the way that, when charged with encouraging the Capital riot, he squealed that it was all a 'witch-hunt' and accused the law as being 'weaponised'. I understand that the Krays also accused the law in this country of being 'weaponised' when they were convicted but they were laughed out of court.

I don't like the way he's cuddling up to Elon Musk, a vocal champion of Yaxley-Lennon (a man that Musk's father said was a better person than Nelson Mandela, I kid you not)

I don't like that he's given presidential pardons to those jailed for an insurrection of the capital building, in which 5 people died (including a police officer). No talk of two-tier there, eh?

I don't like the way that Zelensky was ambushed in a premeditated public attack that should have taken place in private.

I don't like the way he laid hands on another country's leader while haranguing him.

Now, what do I like?

............... I'll have to think harder.

Oh, and I don't like his idea of making Canada the 51st state of the US when we all know that we are! How dare he!
 
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