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Wisbech Eagle said:
Most of that rather childish nonsense will get the response it deserves. Which is none.

Once again you either misunderstand or misrepresent. The ICC does not claim to hold jurisdiction over citizens without their consent. If their country is a member of the UN, and the UN refers someone to the ICC then the consent exists. You need to have done something very bad for that to happen and for your own country not to have taken action itself. As the ICC has no police force of its own it relies on the local police services to detain anyone accused. Therefore many warrants are largely symbolic but nonetheless hugely significant because they put the criminal activity under the spotlight.
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My response was brilliant, that you lack the facetiousness to compete in mental jiujitsu with me is evident.

Let me try breaking this down Barney style since being factual doesn't seem to work.
- The ICC doesn't have a mandate over non-participating nations.
- The UN has no authority to give them that mandate without the approval of the Security Council (Article 13(b)).
- Because it is tying to without the authority, it is overreach.

I have zero interest in virtue signaling criminal charges. Children play those games while the adults run the world.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Hamas ran Gaza, but not Palestine. It had, and has, no authority in the West Bank.

Recognising Palestine as a state is to support, and keep alive, the prospect of a two state solution to a problem that has existed for most of my life. Its future government is an issue for the future.
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Hamas won the last election in Gaza and is officially the government of Gaza. That they have denied elections for the last twenty years doesn't not change that they are still legally the government of Gaza which makes it an invasion of Israel by the nation of Palestine of which Gaza belongs to.

If Northern Ireland attacks Ireland, the United Kingdom still attacked Ireland.
 
eaglesdare said:
I trust there will be global outrage over an Iranian woman sentenced to death for a social media post?

Or do you have to be terrorist and murder people and sentenced to death to have a global outcry?

www.theguardian.com

Iranian woman handed death sentence for ‘blasphemy’ in social media post

Rights groups warn of Tehran regime’s increasing use of executions to suppress dissent, with at least 600 this year
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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And trump bad for actually trying to get rid of this scummy regime.
 
Mark B said:
My response was brilliant, that you lack the facetiousness to compete in mental jiujitsu with me is evident.

Let me try breaking this down Barney style since being factual doesn't seem to work.
- The ICC doesn't have a mandate over non-participating nations.
- The UN has no authority to give them that mandate without the approval of the Security Council (Article 13(b)).
- Because it is tying to without the authority, it is overreach.

I have zero interest in virtue signaling criminal charges. Children play those games while the adults run the world.
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You remind me of Trump! You too seem to think that if you repeat a lie often enough it will somehow metamorphosise into a truth. That might be enough if you wear a stupid baseball cap emblazoned with MAGA but not for those with something between their ears.

The ICC does NOT act without authority!
  • Under Article 13(b) of the Rome Statute, the UN Security Council refers a broad situation (such as a country or region experiencing core international crimes) to the ICC Prosecutor.
  • Prosecutor Investigation: Once the UNSC refers a situation, the ICC Prosecutor independently investigates the situation to determine which individuals bear the greatest responsibility for crimes like war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide.
No overreach of any kind at all. Nor is there “virtue signaling”. Drawing attention to criminal activity is a very serious matter. It raises awareness everywhere, including in the countries where the crimes are being committed. It helps stiffen the resolve of those determined to counter it. It’s very far from being simply symbolic.

If your previous response was “brilliant” I would hate to see a dull one. It read as though written by a spotty teenager. Which perhaps you are!
 
Mark B said:
Hamas won the last election in Gaza and is officially the government of Gaza. That they have denied elections for the last twenty years doesn't not change that they are still legally the government of Gaza which makes it an invasion of Israel by the nation of Palestine of which Gaza belongs to.

If Northern Ireland attacks Ireland, the United Kingdom still attacked Ireland.
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That’s a ridiculous analogy. Northern Ireland does not possess its own military. Any organisation attempting to attack its southern neighbour would see the British army helping to suppress it. Just as it has for decades.

The situation in Palestine is much more nuanced and complicated, largely because of Israel. Hamas ran Gaza but don’t speak for Palestine. The PLO does. They are represented at the UN by the “Permanent Observer Mission of the State of Palestine”. Hamas is not involved.
 
cryrst said:
And trump bad for actually trying to get rid of this scummy regime.
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Most people would like to see an end to the regime.

They wouldn’t though try to do it in a way which has backfired quite so badly, both by creating an energy crisis and actually strengthening the regime rather than weakening it.

That’s why Trump is bad. Which is a very mild way of describing an idiot.
 
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