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Jimenez said:
..........or Laken Riley, I've just walked past Trump Towers to get the subway & the usual suspects are there protesting, funnily enough you never saw them protesting ICE (or INS)when Clinton, Bush, Obama or Biden were in power.
No one disputes that ICE have been at fault on a number of occasions, but that doesn't excuse people willfully disobeying their orders to move on or get out of the way of their operations & therein lies the problem.
Way to many Libtards (& Democrats) going to bat for Illegals who are wanted on Murder, Rape, Child Abuse, Gang affiliation, drug smuggling, drug distribution & other serious crimes instead of engaging with their Congressman to clear the s*** out of the country but pushing for meaningful immigration reform for the people who are here just trying a living, the people who are peeling spuds & scraping carrots in your local restaurant & those packing products on a factory conveyor belt or picking apples aren't the problem but they are dragged into the argument because of frankly ill judged & the stupid actions of these protesters.
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For the very obvious reason that they didn’t behave then as they are now. These days they are looking, and behaving, like a group of armed thugs in the service of a mob boss. Not trained professional law enforcement officers.

The lady wasn’t wilfully disobeying their orders. They had no authority over her, unless an arrest was in process or they suspected she was an illegal immigrant, which was obvious she wasn’t. They failed to follow the correct procedures. Something that now seems commonplace and being encouraged by the Federal authorities.

I hope the State throws the book at them.
 
eaglesdare said:
I think you will find it was the other way around. She was the one doing the harassment.

If she had just followed law enforcement instructions she still be alive today. Better yet if she stayed away from them she would also be alive today.
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The only reason she’s not alive today is because a firearm was discharged 3 times into her face.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It just isn’t a fact!

ICE have limited authority to arrest in very specific circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally. That doesn’t include someone making a protest by stopping in an inconvenient place, unless there was an arrest in progress. There wasn’t. Nor was there an “assault” on an officer, despite the increasingly desperate attempts to try reclassify a possible brush by a car wing as it was being driven away. The officer slipped on the icy road.

They had no authority over her, no authority to tell her to get out of her car and absolutely no authority to use lethal force to stop her. She was perfectly within her rights to drive away from the harassment.
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Were ICE not there to arrest suspected illegal migrants or migrants that had/are committing crimes/fraud? If so she could well have been stopping an arrest
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
For the very obvious reason that they didn’t behave then as they are now. These days they are looking, and behaving, like a group of armed thugs in the service of a mob boss. Not trained professional law enforcement officers.

The lady wasn’t wilfully disobeying their orders. They had no authority over her, unless an arrest was in process or they suspected she was an illegal immigrant, which was obvious she wasn’t. They failed to follow the correct procedures. Something that now seems commonplace and being encouraged by the Federal authorities.

I hope the State throws the book at them.
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Minnesota might have to borrow a book with their current financial woes.
 
eaglesdare said:
I think you will find it was the other way around. She was the one doing the harassment.

If she had just followed law enforcement instructions she still be alive today. Better yet if she stayed away from them she would also be alive today.
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She was protesting. Which is a legal right. It might be annoying or even disruptive but it’s not illegal. Stopping inappropriately can be but that’s not within the mandate of ICE to determine. Their rights are limited. She was within hers.

She would certainly still be alive if she had complied but that’s beside the point. They had no right to demand compliance and she had no reason to expect being shot if she refused.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
She was protesting. Which is a legal right. It might be annoying or even disruptive but it’s not illegal. Stopping inappropriately can be but that’s not within the mandate of ICE to determine. Their rights are limited. She was within hers.

She would certainly still be alive if she had complied but that’s beside the point. They had no right to demand compliance and she had no reason to expect being shot if she refused.
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Protesting is legal. However impeding a law enforcement operations is not. Was it an operation or were the ICE officers just stopping for a coffee in the middle of a neighborhood?
 
Spiderman said:
Were ICE not there to arrest suspected illegal migrants or migrants that had/are committing crimes/fraud? If so she could well have been stopping an arrest
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From my reading of their rights there has to be an active arrest in process for them to instigate any restraining measures on anyone else. They can temporarily restrain someone they believe might be an illegal immigrant whilst they complete checks, but must then get a warrant or release. They must also use the minimum force necessary.

They therefore failed at every level. They are flouting the law, with the encouragement of their management. It needs to be challenged and stopped. If there is a silver lining to such a tragic event this could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
 
eaglesdare said:
Protesting is legal. However impeding a law enforcement operations is not. Was it an operation or were the ICE officers just stopping for a coffee in the middle of a neighborhood?
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Being on “operations” isn’t enough. That would justify them arresting whoever they liked whenever they liked. It needs to be when a specific arrest is underway and someone else tries to impede it. They then have the right to arrest that person. Not just when on patrol.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
From my reading of their rights there has to be an active arrest in process for them to instigate any restraining measures on anyone else. They can temporarily restrain someone they believe might be an illegal immigrant whilst they complete checks, but must then get a warrant or release. They must also use the minimum force necessary.

They therefore failed at every level. They are flouting the law, with the encouragement of their management. It needs to be challenged and stopped. If there is a silver lining to such a tragic event this could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
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Were they in the process of making an arrest when she blocked the road?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Being on “operations” isn’t enough. That would justify them arresting whoever they liked whenever they liked. It needs to be when a specific arrest is underway and someone else tries to impede it. They then have the right to arrest that person. Not just when on patrol.
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So can you confirm they were just on "patrol"? Can you confirm they were not on an operation? Can you confirm they were not arresting anyone?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
From my reading of their rights there has to be an active arrest in process for them to instigate any restraining measures on anyone else. They can temporarily restrain someone they believe might be an illegal immigrant whilst they complete checks, but must then get a warrant or release. They must also use the minimum force necessary.

They therefore failed at every level. They are flouting the law, with the encouragement of their management. It needs to be challenged and stopped. If there is a silver lining to such a tragic event this could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
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Any condemnation of the protestors who have tried to break into the hotel where off duty ICE Officers were staying?
The hotel employee who made public their names, email addresses has been sacked, got off lightly imo
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
For the very obvious reason that they didn’t behave then as they are now. These days they are looking, and behaving, like a group of armed thugs in the service of a mob boss. Not trained professional law enforcement officers.

The lady wasn’t wilfully disobeying their orders. They had no authority over her, unless an arrest was in process or they suspected she was an illegal immigrant, which was obvious she wasn’t. They failed to follow the correct procedures. Something that now seems commonplace and being encouraged by the Federal authorities.

I hope the State throws the book at them.
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And no where in my reply did I say she did? but I'm talking about others who willfully do & impede officers when carrying out their duties. They care more for the scumbag illegals than they do for officers trying to uphold the law & do they're job. The same can be said for the Palestinian mob who seem to be under the illusion that it's ok to bellow or spit in Police officers faces. A huge swathe of these protesters aren't even legit they are rentamob leftists & communists. I didn't see great throngs of them today in London or other Cities marching in protest to support the uprising in Iraq much in the same way as they weren't marching when the likes of Laken Riley or Irnya Zarutska were murdered in cold blood, but the moment a Fentanyl addict like George Ffloyd is they do.
 
Jimenez said:
And no where in my reply did I say she did? but I'm talking about others who willfully do & impede officers when carrying out their duties. They care more for the scumbag illegals than they do for officers trying to uphold the law & do they're job. The same can be said for the Palestinian mob who seem to be under the illusion that it's ok to bellow or spit in Police officers faces. A huge swathe of these protesters aren't even legit they are rentamob leftists & communists. I didn't see great throngs of them today in London or other Cities marching in protest to support the uprising in Iraq much in the same way as they weren't marching when the likes of Laken Riley or Irnya Zarutska were murdered in cold blood, but the moment a Fentanyl addict like George Ffloyd is they do.
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What others do anywhere else is irrelevant to this event.

The insults that people are either insincere or being paid to protest is obviously nonsense. People care that democracy is being mugged. That some misbehave doesn’t undermine that. Just classifying them all as leftist or communist is very ignorant and a big mistake.

You want talk about officers trying to do their jobs being attacked? Look at what happened on Jan 6 at the Capitol and who Trump pardoned!
 
Spiderman said:
Any condemnation of the protestors who have tried to break into the hotel where off duty ICE Officers were staying?
The hotel employee who made public their names, email addresses has been sacked, got off lightly imo
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What has that got to do with this event, beyond demonstrating how foolish it is not to take the people with you when you seek to introduce radical new policies
 
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