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gazzerp said:
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I don't have time to continue ranting...
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Sorry but on a day like this, then you cannot claim that as a 'rant'. That barely constitutes a whimper of a melt-down. There are 10,000's of better examples out there. Please try again but this time, put some effort into it. I am only even giving you this time of day out of consideration for our shared support of the same football team.

Come on, you can do better than that.
 
Matov said:
If the people who have attempted to murder you are an actual part of the wider system of governance under which that legal system seeks its legitimacy from then I beg to differ but its a moot point.

But the issue of Ukraine and numerous other examples is that we are NOT at war with Russia. Ditto with weapons we supply to Israel. In fact, any politically sanctioned weapons sales (and all require export licences - Look up the entire notion of 'End User Certiftcates) that lead to the deaths of people, even other combatants, is 'murder'.

So do you think that political murder, in any way, shape or form is justified? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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'Do I advocate that Trump 'murders' people who disagree with him politically? Then no.'

A asked you for a yes or no and you gave it but then widened the question to include murder by proxy via arms sales, to be fair

Do I agree with arms sales?

No but I'm not a politician who is asked to support other regimes through alliances and treaties so, as you say, it's a moot point.

Originally and in essence, we are debating whether we advocate murder against our iwn citizens.

A different bucket of blood, as they say.
 
gazzerp said:
Trump won through a campaign of instilling fear and anger into large swaths of marginalized people here in the US.
He has never once attempted to portray a vision for uplifting ALL Americans. Each and every time his mouth opened it's been a barrage of falsehoods intended to plant doom and despair into those most easily manipulated into believing the "other side" are responsible for everything wrong in their lives.

The more you tell a lie, the more people are likely to believe it.

"Biden raised your gas prices."
"Biden caused inflation."
"Biden invited 20-million immigrants into your neighborhoods, and they're eating your pets, raping your women and taking your black jobs."
"Ukraine and Gaza never would have happened under my watch."

"I will cut gas prices on Day 1."
"Your grocery bills will be halved on Day 1."
"I will seal the wall."
"I will deport all illegal immigrants."

Read Project 2025.
Read Agenda 47 and convince yourself that Trump claims he knows nothing about the former (which his pussy-whipped VP authored the forward to.)

As someone else noted here, the next couple of months will be crucial to see if Biden can do anything to prevent Trump from becoming the "king" he wishes to be, and stop his plans to abolish the Constitution, remove the independence (which has become a misnomer) of the Supreme Court, and with his "You'll never need to vote again" promise... cement his intent to truly mirror the likes of Orban, Putin and Un... to name just his best boyfriends.
I don't have time to continue ranting...
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😭😭
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I have been thinking about where this leaves us. Both me personally and in a wider sense. Which is a big subject that won’t be clear until it’s over, especially when the only predictable thing about Trump is that he is unpredictable.

Nevertheless several things strike me. Firstly he isn’t President for another couple of months. Biden is. Until yesterday Biden was a lame duck. Now he isn’t. He is a President who doesn’t care about the personal implications of any executive decisions he takes. He won’t be running again and nor will Harris. They are both finished politically. Biden is also protected by the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts.

So this could be the most important 2 months of Biden’s presidency as he puts in place safeguards to protect against Trump’s worst intentions. They have months to prepare for this scenario so everything ought to be oiled and ready to go.

Likewise with Ukraine. I expect there to have been detailed plans drawn up between the Biden administration, NATO and its members on how to respond if Trump won. Zelenskyy would have been involved too, obviously. In anticipation of Trump pulling the rug from further US provision of support I wonder if Ukraine will now cede the territory that Russia said they sought, pull their forces back and announce a ceasefire. A deal that neither Trump nor Putin could refuse without losing face. Ukraine would encourage all those unhappy to be left in Russian hands to relocate with the EU, and the UK, offering to accept refugees.

Alongside that NATO to offer Ukraine membership, but without putting men or equipment there, and the EU to do the same. It could result in Trump pulling the US out of NATO but hopefully his military would persuade him not to and NATO would doubtless have a notice period and after 4 years Trump goes anyway.

It’s all , of course, speculation so we must see. Maybe it would be announced on the day of the inauguration, thus keeping everyone off balance.

There is also the fact that any President doesn’t control everything. Much decision making is still done at State level.

On a personal level with Trump expected to start a trade war not only with China but with the EU and ourselves there is likely to be significant economic consequences. A recession is possible and interest rate rises of 2% or 3% forecasted. This shouldn’t hurt me too badly. I don’t have any debt, don’t consume so much, have a respectable income and interest bearing investments. Trump could be good for me personally.

If Trump does go fully isolationist then the EU is going to have to accept it can no longer shelter under the protection of the US. Nor will we be able to. The EU and the UK will find themselves in the same boat again. So maybe Trump’s success will end up being the precursor of us rejoining the EU?

There’s always a silver lining on even the darkest of days.
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I think like most things you are overthinking the outcomes!!!

When the media clip comments and regurgitate them in a negative way, it’s a dangerous game!

In my opinion, the sun will rise tomorrow, the tanks will not roll into blue cities (unless lawlessness persists), targeted criminal illegals will be deported, NATO will remain strong!
 
Glazier#1 said:
'Do I advocate that Trump 'murders' people who disagree with him politically? Then no.'

A asked you for a yes or no and you gave it but then widened the question to include murder by proxy via arms sales, to be fair

Do I agree with arms sales?

No but I'm not a politician who is asked to support other regimes through alliances and treaties so, as you say, it's a moot point.

Originally and in essence, we are debating whether we advocate murder against our iwn citizens.

A different bucket of blood, as they say.
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You specifically stated 'political murder'. Weapons sales between countries are the definition of political. They literally cannot happen unless a political decision is made to allow them. And they lead to the 'murder' of people which cannot be defined on the basis of presenting an immediate threat to life. So based on what you stated, they come under that umbrella.

I will only ask once more for a straight forward answer because otherwise it gets tedious but a yes or a no would be appreciated and respected.
 
cryrst said:
We are virtually living within one now since 2TK became leader of hmg. Jailed for a tweet, jailed for swearing, live on the street if you’re homeless but in a hotel if you’re illegal. Taxed to the bollox for the benefit of the state workers. The USA will never be this bad.
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And this, to you, represents the same as a dictatorship.

That's just naive.
 
Matov said:
You specifically stated 'political murder'. Weapons sales between countries are the definition of political. They literally cannot happen unless a political decision is made to allow them. And they lead to the 'murder' of people which cannot be defined on the basis of presenting an immediate threat to life. So based on what you stated, they come under that umbrella.

I will only ask once more for a straight forward answer because otherwise it gets tedious but a yes or a no would be appreciated and respected.
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This is the quote I originally responded to: 'I literally want Trump to become a Far-Right Dictator who takes out those who set out to destroy him.'

This is still the point. That infers murdering our own citizens. It is you, with respect, who has skewered this somewhat, I think.

I think I have answered sufficiently, without dodging but I do thank you for having the respect to engage in dialogue rather than the mud-slinging that some others on here resort to.

It seems that, in their eagerness to box me up as 'leftie', that they are incapable of anything else.
 
Glazier#1 said:
It is what it is. We voted and the Brexiteers won. So be it. No whining from me. That's democracy.

Democracy: something that three posters, at least, on here are against.
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This thread is for the discussion of US politics - not the personal opinions of other posters on unrelated matters.

Please stick to the topic.
 
Glazier#1 said:
It is what it is. We voted and the Brexiteers won. So be it. No whining from me. That's democracy.

Democracy: something that three posters, at least, on here are against.
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Oh boy, you really don’t know me. I have consistently argued that the Brexit vote was a democratic one and should be adhered to. Unlike some on here. Still you continue on your rants and I will continue enjoying the meltdown
 
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