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Glazier#1 said:
He'll get there before you lol.

So you wouldn't refer to him as 3T, then? Just asking.
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What total twaddle are you peddling now?

The only equivalence here is the left's rabid desire to crush wrong think by any means.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Mealy mouthed, Matov. MMM.

So, do you advocate political murder? It's a simple question. You know how much we hate those politicians who refuse to give a one-word answer. Yes or no?
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Political murder?
You are certainly boring us half to death with your sour grapes.

If I were Trump I would certainly go after the people who have describing him in ways that are likely to get some nut to try and kill him.
Some of you loons on the left would have been openly celebrating if he had been shot, so don't give us this old crap.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
When is Trump going to invade Poland, or I suppose Canada is the equivalent?
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Well, I remember 2016 and all the overly dramatic tarts going on about Trump and WW3.

Then only last year the same type of people are telling us we need to invade Russia and that nukes aren't that bad and only a bluff anyway.

They are all over the place and everything is emotional reaction on steroids. Every 5 becomes a 10 because feelings.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Mealy mouthed, Matov. MMM.

So, do you advocate political murder? It's a simple question. You know how much we hate those politicians who refuse to give a one-word answer. Yes or no?
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A fair comment. Do I advocate that Trump 'murders' people who disagree with him politically? Then no. But do I think you are entitled to 'murder' people who have attempted to murder you? Then yes. Because it is a perfectly logical assumption to make that they will attempt to do so again and would therefore see it more as self-defence.

But on do I think that murders can be justified on political grounds? Then yes. For example, every world leader would have signed off on a murder of one kind or the other. For example in Ukraine. HMG make no bones about offering all kinds of military support that has led to the death of civilians. We have supplied weapons, intelligence and I suspect actual boots on the ground. Or do you think that is somehow different?
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Political murder?
You are certainly boring us half to death with your sour grapes.

If I were Trump I would certainly go after the people who have describing him in ways that are likely to get some nut to try and kill him.
Some of you loons on the left would have been openly celebrating if he had been shot, so don't give us this old crap.
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'Give us that old crap' Haha. Detailed political analysis, as ever, my dear Rolfy. So bitter.

I have asked Matov to be clear after reading his previous posts. Have you read them? what do you think?

Do you have an opinion on what he wrote? Or are you happy to just throw insults around?

Just because I disagree with someone, it doesn't make me a 'loon', Rolfy. However, if definitely not advocating a dictatorship is loony, then I confess.

Sour grapes? not at all: the American people have spoken.
 
I have been thinking about where this leaves us. Both me personally and in a wider sense. Which is a big subject that won’t be clear until it’s over, especially when the only predictable thing about Trump is that he is unpredictable.

Nevertheless several things strike me. Firstly he isn’t President for another couple of months. Biden is. Until yesterday Biden was a lame duck. Now he isn’t. He is a President who doesn’t care about the personal implications of any executive decisions he takes. He won’t be running again and nor will Harris. They are both finished politically. Biden is also protected by the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts.

So this could be the most important 2 months of Biden’s presidency as he puts in place safeguards to protect against Trump’s worst intentions. They have months to prepare for this scenario so everything ought to be oiled and ready to go.

Likewise with Ukraine. I expect there to have been detailed plans drawn up between the Biden administration, NATO and its members on how to respond if Trump won. Zelenskyy would have been involved too, obviously. In anticipation of Trump pulling the rug from further US provision of support I wonder if Ukraine will now cede the territory that Russia said they sought, pull their forces back and announce a ceasefire. A deal that neither Trump nor Putin could refuse without losing face. Ukraine would encourage all those unhappy to be left in Russian hands to relocate with the EU, and the UK, offering to accept refugees.

Alongside that NATO to offer Ukraine membership, but without putting men or equipment there, and the EU to do the same. It could result in Trump pulling the US out of NATO but hopefully his military would persuade him not to and NATO would doubtless have a notice period and after 4 years Trump goes anyway.

It’s all , of course, speculation so we must see. Maybe it would be announced on the day of the inauguration, thus keeping everyone off balance.

There is also the fact that any President doesn’t control everything. Much decision making is still done at State level.

On a personal level with Trump expected to start a trade war not only with China but with the EU and ourselves there is likely to be significant economic consequences. A recession is possible and interest rate rises of 2% or 3% forecasted. This shouldn’t hurt me too badly. I don’t have any debt, don’t consume so much, have a respectable income and interest bearing investments. Trump could be good for me personally.

If Trump does go fully isolationist then the EU is going to have to accept it can no longer shelter under the protection of the US. Nor will we be able to. The EU and the UK will find themselves in the same boat again. So maybe Trump’s success will end up being the precursor of us rejoining the EU?

There’s always a silver lining on even the darkest of days.
 
Matov said:
A fair comment. Do I advocate that Trump 'murders' people who disagree with him politically? Then no. But do I think you are entitled to 'murder' people who have attempted to murder you? Then yes. Because it is a perfectly logical assumption to make that they will attempt to do so again and would therefore see it more as self-defence.

But on do I think that murders can be justified on political grounds? Then yes. For example, every world leader would have signed off on a murder of one kind or the other. For example in Ukraine. HMG make no bones about offering all kinds of military support that has led to the death of civilians. We have supplied weapons, intelligence and I suspect actual boots on the ground. Or do you think that is somehow different?
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Thank you for your answer, Matov.

The law exists to punish people if they have attempted to murder you. You are entitled to plead self defence if during a moment when your life is in immediate danger you kill someone. Retrospective or post-incident retribution are not legally permitted.

The idea that others do it so that makes it ok to do likewise is not for me, Matov. I think, anyway, it's important to seperate war activity and peacetime activity.

Precious little comments from all the other posters on here who were asked to comment on your proposals. Where have they all gone?
 
Glazier#1 said:
Thank you for your answer, Matov.

The law exists to punish people if they have attempted to murder you. You are entitled to plead self defence if during a moment when your life is in immediate danger you kill someone. Retrospective or post-incident retribution are not legally permitted.
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If the people who have attempted to murder you are an actual part of the wider system of governance under which that legal system seeks its legitimacy from then I beg to differ but its a moot point.

But the issue of Ukraine and numerous other examples is that we are NOT at war with Russia. Ditto with weapons we supply to Israel. In fact, any politically sanctioned weapons sales (and all require export licences - Look up the entire notion of 'End User Certiftcates) that lead to the deaths of people, even other combatants, is 'murder'.

So do you think that political murder, in any way, shape or form is justified? A simple yes or no will suffice.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I have been thinking about where this leaves us. Both me personally and in a wider sense. Which is a big subject that won’t be clear until it’s over, especially when the only predictable thing about Trump is that he is unpredictable.

Nevertheless several things strike me. Firstly he isn’t President for another couple of months. Biden is. Until yesterday Biden was a lame duck. Now he isn’t. He is a President who doesn’t care about the personal implications of any executive decisions he takes. He won’t be running again and nor will Harris. They are both finished politically. Biden is also protected by the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts.

So this could be the most important 2 months of Biden’s presidency as he puts in place safeguards to protect against Trump’s worst intentions. They have months to prepare for this scenario so everything ought to be oiled and ready to go.

Likewise with Ukraine. I expect there to have been detailed plans drawn up between the Biden administration, NATO and its members on how to respond if Trump won. Zelenskyy would have been involved too, obviously. In anticipation of Trump pulling the rug from further US provision of support I wonder if Ukraine will now cede the territory that Russia said they sought, pull their forces back and announce a ceasefire. A deal that neither Trump nor Putin could refuse without losing face. Ukraine would encourage all those unhappy to be left in Russian hands to relocate with the EU, and the UK, offering to accept refugees.

Alongside that NATO to offer Ukraine membership, but without putting men or equipment there, and the EU to do the same. It could result in Trump pulling the US out of NATO but hopefully his military would persuade him not to and NATO would doubtless have a notice period and after 4 years Trump goes anyway.

It’s all , of course, speculation so we must see. Maybe it would be announced on the day of the inauguration, thus keeping everyone off balance.

There is also the fact that any President doesn’t control everything. Much decision making is still done at State level.

On a personal level with Trump expected to start a trade war not only with China but with the EU and ourselves there is likely to be significant economic consequences. A recession is possible and interest rate rises of 2% or 3% forecasted. This shouldn’t hurt me too badly. I don’t have any debt, don’t consume so much, have a respectable income and interest bearing investments. Trump could be good for me personally.

If Trump does go fully isolationist then the EU is going to have to accept it can no longer shelter under the protection of the US. Nor will we be able to. The EU and the UK will find themselves in the same boat again. So maybe Trump’s success will end up being the precursor of us rejoining the EU?

There’s always a silver lining on even the darkest of days.
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Typical Leftie. Never accepting the mandated voice of the people. The people have spoken. Now get over it.
 
Matov said:
If the people who have attempted to murder you are an actual part of the wider system of governance under which that legal system seeks its legitimacy from then I beg to differ but its a moot point.

But the issue of Ukraine and numerous other examples is that we are NOT at war with Russia. Ditto with weapons we supply to Israel. In fact, any politically sanctioned weapons sales (and all require export licences - Look up the entire notion of 'End User Certiftcates) that lead to the deaths of people, even other combatants, is 'murder'.

So do you think that political murder, in any way, shape or form is justified? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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My bible tells me that murder is a sin, so no.

Wars are awful and, of course, I would never want to see them. Wars of self defence, if we are invaded or attacked or someone declares war on us, then I would say we are entitled to defend ourselves.

In domestic terms, politically, no is the answer. Those poor people who have 'disappeared' in Argentina or Chile, or Soviet Russia or Pol Pot and descendants thereof, tell me how awful such a prospect is.

It is clear from seeing what is proposed on this site that I disagree with a lot of what I read but would I be prepared to kill anybody, or see them murdered because of that?

No.

Extrapolating to arms sales is a a whole new subject. Yes, a roundabout way of people being killed but, as Christopher Marlowe would have it 'Twas in another country'.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I have been thinking about where this leaves us. Both me personally and in a wider sense. Which is a big subject that won’t be clear until it’s over, especially when the only predictable thing about Trump is that he is unpredictable.

Nevertheless several things strike me. Firstly he isn’t President for another couple of months. Biden is. Until yesterday Biden was a lame duck. Now he isn’t. He is a President who doesn’t care about the personal implications of any executive decisions he takes. He won’t be running again and nor will Harris. They are both finished politically. Biden is also protected by the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts.

So this could be the most important 2 months of Biden’s presidency as he puts in place safeguards to protect against Trump’s worst intentions. They have months to prepare for this scenario so everything ought to be oiled and ready to go.

Likewise with Ukraine. I expect there to have been detailed plans drawn up between the Biden administration, NATO and its members on how to respond if Trump won. Zelenskyy would have been involved too, obviously. In anticipation of Trump pulling the rug from further US provision of support I wonder if Ukraine will now cede the territory that Russia said they sought, pull their forces back and announce a ceasefire. A deal that neither Trump nor Putin could refuse without losing face. Ukraine would encourage all those unhappy to be left in Russian hands to relocate with the EU, and the UK, offering to accept refugees.

Alongside that NATO to offer Ukraine membership, but without putting men or equipment there, and the EU to do the same. It could result in Trump pulling the US out of NATO but hopefully his military would persuade him not to and NATO would doubtless have a notice period and after 4 years Trump goes anyway.

It’s all , of course, speculation so we must see. Maybe it would be announced on the day of the inauguration, thus keeping everyone off balance.

There is also the fact that any President doesn’t control everything. Much decision making is still done at State level.

On a personal level with Trump expected to start a trade war not only with China but with the EU and ourselves there is likely to be significant economic consequences. A recession is possible and interest rate rises of 2% or 3% forecasted. This shouldn’t hurt me too badly. I don’t have any debt, don’t consume so much, have a respectable income and interest bearing investments. Trump could be good for me personally.

If Trump does go fully isolationist then the EU is going to have to accept it can no longer shelter under the protection of the US. Nor will we be able to. The EU and the UK will find themselves in the same boat again. So maybe Trump’s success will end up being the precursor of us rejoining the EU?

There’s always a silver lining on even the darkest of days.
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The new variant of TDS appears to be especially virulent.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Extrapolating to arms sales is a a whole new subject. Yes, a roundabout way of people being killed but, as Christopher Marlowe would have it 'Twas in another country'.
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You asked me if I condoned 'Political Murder'. I gave you an answer. All arms sales between nations are political by the dint of the use of the 'End User Certificates'. These lead to the 'murder' of people who represent no direct threat to the UK.

So do you agree or disagree? Again, a yes or no would be appreciated.
 
Trump won through a campaign of instilling fear and anger into large swaths of marginalized people here in the US.
He has never once attempted to portray a vision for uplifting ALL Americans. Each and every time his mouth opened it's been a barrage of falsehoods intended to plant doom and despair into those most easily manipulated into believing the "other side" are responsible for everything wrong in their lives.

The more you tell a lie, the more people are likely to believe it.

"Biden raised your gas prices."
"Biden caused inflation."
"Biden invited 20-million immigrants into your neighborhoods, and they're eating your pets, raping your women and taking your black jobs."
"Ukraine and Gaza never would have happened under my watch."

"I will cut gas prices on Day 1."
"Your grocery bills will be halved on Day 1."
"I will seal the wall."
"I will deport all illegal immigrants."

Read Project 2025.
Read Agenda 47 and convince yourself that Trump claims he knows nothing about the former (which his pussy-whipped VP authored the forward to.)

As someone else noted here, the next couple of months will be crucial to see if Biden can do anything to prevent Trump from becoming the "king" he wishes to be, and stop his plans to abolish the Constitution, remove the independence (which has become a misnomer) of the Supreme Court, and with his "You'll never need to vote again" promise... cement his intent to truly mirror the likes of Orban, Putin and Un... to name just his best boyfriends.
I don't have time to continue ranting...
 
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