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[Wisbech Eagle]

Whatever Russia's influence may or may not have been America's hands are hardly clean in their dealings.

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Whataboutery again!

No one says they are.

What has been said is that “Russiagate” was a hoax. When it very clearly was not.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Whataboutery again!

No one says they are.

What has been said is that “Russiagate” was a hoax. When it very clearly was not.

Apparently there's no such thing as a comparison allowed any more.
OK, think if it as reaping what you sow. Ask the people of Vietnam or Chile about American interference.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Apparently there's no such thing as a comparison allowed any more.
OK, think if it as reaping what you sow. Ask the people of Vietnam or Chile about American interference.

Of course comparisons are useful, but only when things are being compared!!!

The subject was not whether America has interfered too. We know it has. So nothing to discuss.

The subject was also not whether Russia interfered in the 2016 Presidential election. We know it did. So nothing to discuss.

The subject was whether the involvement of the Trump campaign, and Trump himself in covering it up, was a hoax. Which it wasn’t.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Of course comparisons are useful, but only when things are being compared!!!

The subject was not whether America has interfered too. We know it has. So nothing to discuss.

The subject was also not whether Russia interfered in the 2016 Presidential election. We know it did. So nothing to discuss.

The subject was whether the involvement of the Trump campaign, and Trump himself in covering it up, was a hoax. Which it wasn’t.

The comparison shows how superpowers get involved in other countries' governance. If American could get any traction in Russian elections then they would. Is your concern about Russian interference per se or that Trump apparently benefited from it?

 

[Penge Eagle]

Because all the economic harm he’s caused is literally because of his absolute tariff nonsense.

Well, well, well.

The S&P 500 recouped losses and returned to year‑to‑date positive. By June 27, both the S&P 500 and NASDAQ set new all‑time highs.

The IMF has raised its global growth forecast to 3.0% for 2025.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Whataboutery again!

No one says they are.

What has been said is that “Russiagate” was a hoax. When it very clearly was not.

I've already quoted you the lines from the Mueller Report which you refuse to read and accept that you are wrong.

Volume I: Russian Interference and Coordination

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

Volume II: Obstruction of Justice

The Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr’s letter said that “the Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

 

[Stirlingsays]

Economists are like plumbers.

In other words, of differing quality.....Unfortunately some of them are more like activists for political outcomes rather than just focused in on the science.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The comparison shows how superpowers get involved in other countries' governance. If American could get any traction in Russian elections then they would. Is your concern about Russian interference per se or that Trump apparently benefited from it?

No. My concern is that the lies Trump tells are accepted as the truth by some due to them being constantly repeated. In this case the claim that Russiagate was a hoax and that he was exonerated.

Not about the interference itself, or its impact. They are separate subjects.