Tyrick Mitchell

[Palacesince64]

To be fair he did come out again to sit on the bench

Probably just a trip to the bog!

Given Ollie’s pre match comments about the position, that he wouldn’t rotate them for the sake of it but expects the player in the role to retain it unless he plays poorly and the player not in the role to prove he can take over if that happens, one might anticipate Chilwell starting against Fulham. Interesting dilemma for Ollie. Given they have Traore on the right wing are we better to have Chilwell pushing up forcing Traore to defend, or Mitchell sitting deeper and covering Traore defensively? I think this shows the potential benefit of having 2 left backs with different qualities.

 

[kennybrowns leftfoot]

I was at the stadium and it did indeed feel like Chilwell was night and day better.

I know it isn't a long term solution for us but it highlights the ongoing issue with Mitchell.

The jury remains that he is good enough for us to really push on. I don't think he is. His ball control, lack of skill, lack of ability to take a man on, lack of ability to pass the ball forward just massively limits us. He has been with us for enough time to get better at these things yet he hasn't.

For me he is a squad player. He always gives his all and we have to respect that but it's clear that at the very least, he needs competition for his place.

Munoz is a much better player IMO, more rounded game, more overall ability and plays with verve.

Totally agree with this. Mitchell is a squad player not a starting 11 Premier League LWB... As has been rightly highlighted he simply isn't good enough offensively and sadly never will be.
You can't coach confidence into people unfortunately. You're either naturally confident in your ability or not and I would say Mitchell has serious confidence issues. You can tell by his body language. Always looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.

 

[premier fan]

Is Mitchell out of contract soon? - I heard somewhere that he’s been stalling on signing. Bringing Chillwell in and playing him will clearly put Mitchell back in his place. The club is bigger than the individual. I can’t see Mitchell being targeted by a top 10 premier league side. He needs to know his place.

 

[Daddyorc]

Other than when we're defending our box, Mitchell never strays more than 10 yards from the line.

If you watch Munoz, he'll cut inside to find players, same thing when Chilwell came on. There's glue between Mitchell and the line. Why that hurts is it effectively means the opposing players don't worry about him going 2 directions, just back and forth.

I like Mitchell as a player. Very good defender who can mostly shut down some of the best wingers in the game. He also seems like a genuinely nice fellow. I've never heard him complain once, not overly brash, if anything I'd say he's almost too humble, which is very refreshing.

He made a bad mistake yesterday, but that's very rare for him, so I'm not going to harp on it too much and I don't think Glasner will either.

 

[Glazier#1]

Totally agree with this. Mitchell is a squad player not a starting 11 Premier League LWB... As has been rightly highlighted he simply isn't good enough offensively and sadly never will be.
You can't coach confidence into people unfortunately. You're either naturally confident in your ability or not and I would say Mitchell has serious confidence issues. You can tell by his body language. Always looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Compared to Ayew, he's the life and soul of the party!

Mind you, Jordan is the GOAT. 😉

 

[dreamwaverider]

Truth is, Chilwell is at a much higher level of competence than Mitchell.
He has played for England seniors and juniors some 20 times each.
Mitchell has played for the seniors twice, in friendlies.
As soon as Chilwell came on at the weekend the difference was night and day.
Some of his passing was outstanding as was his attacking play and his linking with our players. The left side started to come alive like the right side.
Once he gets up to pace in the next few games, Im sure he will be our no.1 LWB while he is at Palace. This is a professional game which is cruel. Best man and team wins. Our manager has to play who he considers best in each game.
What happens in the summer remains to be seen, just like all our players and their futures.
Anything can happen down the line, but for the rest of the season we have at least now got a top level proven international LWB in the squad with perfectly good cover. Just what many fans have been baying for over the past few years.

 

[Painter]

Is Mitchell out of contract soon? - I heard somewhere that he’s been stalling on signing. Bringing Chillwell in and playing him will clearly put Mitchell back in his place. The club is bigger than the individual. I can’t see Mitchell being targeted by a top 10 premier league side. He needs to know his place.

I doubt Everton would of scored their winner if Mitchell was on the pitch, Chilwell completely messed up defending the attack, he cant defend.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Much as I’ve defended TM and I think he’s improved since Ollie took over and he looks better with this system. I’ve got to admit, even not fully fit Chilwell looks a different class going forward and looks like he’s going to be a real weapon going forward

 

[BromleyMonkey]

I doubt Everton would of scored their winner if Mitchell was on the pitch, Chilwell completely messed up defending the attack, he cant defend.

Not sure what TM was doing for their first goal though

 

[park the bus]

Much as I’ve defended TM and I think he’s improved since Ollie took over and he looks better with this system. I’ve got to admit, even not fully fit Chilwell looks a different class going forward and looks like he’s going to be a real weapon going forward

But can he defend when Fulham, for example, overload that left side? Don't expect Eze to help out...

 

[JHB]

Mitchell had a mare on Saturday of that there is no doubt. However, whilst most comments are balanced, some of the sentiments (one comment saying he ‘should know his place’) are over the top. Mitchell is a very good defensive left back who is doing ok, not great, but ok, as a LWB. Chilwell looks a good option but so far we’ve seen two sub appearances from him which isn’t enough to judge on. He’s started pretty well but also didn’t look great defending their second goal. Way too early to be definitively saying Mitchell should be dropped ongoing.

 

[PatrickA]

I think some managers over complicate the game as if they are trying to be the next Pep.
The Chelsea manager likes his full backs to become almost like midfielders ( not wing backs) meaning they can crop up almost anywhere on the field.
Gusto has sometimes struggled with aspects of this leading to Caceido being used instead.
It's a concept that Chilwell would probably struggle with too which is partly why he was surplus to requirements.

On the other hand Tuchel and Potter loved Chilwell and indeed Potter had him as vice Captain.

If Glasner had a blank piece of paper to select a LWB, it's unlikely Mitchell would be first choice to fit the profile required.
If it was Roy, however, he would be perfectly happy to have Mitchell as Left Back.
Managers require different attributes from their players depending upon systems employed.

The old adage was that managers should look at their squads and devise a system to suit their available players.
There may be wisdom in this approach, but to an extent that seems to have gone out of the window; systems first, players second.

 

[Painter]

Not sure what TM was doing for their first goal though

He was in shock, that Lerma decided to look the other way, when the ball was thrown to him.

 

[DenTyler]

Mitchell had a bad game Saturday, but he has been a stable player for us over the last couple of seasons. He is a completely different player in terms of style and traits compared to chillwell.
He has all the attributes you could want in a Left back, fast and strong in the tackle annd rarely injured. Unfortunately for us he does not seem to have the natural attacking qualities of Munoz. If he did he would probably have been poached by one of the big boys. That said for all Munoz energy his composure and final ball can be lacking, yet he does not get the stick Mitchell gets on here.
The beauty now is, we have the luxury of choice. If Chillwell stays fit and does well for us he will likely be out of our price range come the summer. Same result as Connor and Trevor, we will just add £££ to the Chelsea fee.
My hope is that Mitchell watches and learns more of the attacking side of things from Chillwell while he is with us.

 

[Cartman]

Tyrick is still one of the better at his position in this league; everyone has an off day. As another poster said above hopefully Chilwell's expertise in the final third can lend to him learning how to do better in that area and become a better all around player. Still want him out there.

 

[CT Charlie]

An unusual aspect of this thread is that almost everybody is in agreement. How rare is that?!!

Mitchell is superb defensively while being limited and tentative in attack. By contrast, Chilwell seems confident and gifted in attack, while perhaps being a bit of a liability in defense.

For tactical flexibility I hope we'll be able to retain both, but for now I look forward 3 months of competition in which options and opportunities abound on the left side. Both for Glasner and for us.

 

[blackgirl3]

t m had just suffered a bad bang on the head just before he made that rare big mistake that cost us

 

[GeorgeF89]

An unusual aspect of this thread is that almost everybody is in agreement. How rare is that?!!

Mitchell is superb defensively while being limited and tentative in attack. By contrast, Chilwell seems confident and gifted in attack, while perhaps being a bit of a liability in defense.

For tactical flexibility I hope we'll be able to retain both, but for now I look forward 3 months of competition in which options and opportunities abound on the left side. Both for Glasner and for us.

I don't mean to be the party pooper but I don't believe people are saying that both players are the 'same' level albeit one is better in attack, the other in defence.

I think what most of us are saying is that Chilwell is clearly a better player and will give us a lot more threat going down that side of the pitch. Yes that will probably open us up a bit more as well but all top teams play with LWB / fullbacks who attack and play on the front foot.

Also you have the remember that sometimes, playing defensively as Mitchell, can ironically play into the opponent's hands. The old adage that attack is the best form of defence comes to mind.

We need to have both wing areas opened up on the attack and typically when Mitchell had the ball he would never take his man on or put in a good cross, thus severely limiting us.

So I think we get more bang for our buck with Chilwell, even if that means we have to compensate with being at greater risks of counters, especially if both Munoz and Chilwell are pressed up. But that is the 3 CB system - it is meant to protect us from that.

 

[JHB]

I don't mean to be the party pooper but I don't believe people are saying that both players are the 'same' level albeit one is better in attack, the other in defence.

I think what most of us are saying is that Chilwell is clearly a better player and will give us a lot more threat going down that side of the pitch. Yes that will probably open us up a bit more as well but all top teams play with LWB / fullbacks who attack and play on the front foot.

Also you have the remember that sometimes, playing defensively as Mitchell, can ironically play into the opponent's hands. The old adage that attack is the best form of defence comes to mind.

We need to have both wing areas opened up on the attack and typically when Mitchell had the ball he would never take his man on or put in a good cross, thus severely limiting us.

So I think we get more bang for our buck with Chilwell, even if that means we have to compensate with being at greater risks of counters, especially if both Munoz and Chilwell are pressed up. But that is the 3 CB system - it is meant to protect us from that.

I don’t see how anyone can come to the judgement that Chilwell is ‘clearly a better player’ after watching him play for us for a combined total of about 80 mins. You need a much bigger sample size than that. After 4 games of the season Lacroix looked like a liability. After 25 games he looks fantastic and a great signing.

As ever lots of people saying we need the same attacking threat down the left as the right. Yet Mitchell and Munoz both have the same number of assists in the league

 

[Casual]

Most people have watched Chilwell for years, for his clubs and country. When fit and at 28 he’s miles better than Mitchell, imo.

I don’t see how anyone can come to the judgement that Chilwell is ‘clearly a better player’ after watching him play for us for a combined total of about 80 mins. You need a much bigger sample size than that. After 4 games of the season Lacroix looked like a liability. After 25 games he looks fantastic and a great signing.

As ever lots of people saying we need the same attacking threat down the left as the right. Yet Mitchell and Munoz both have the same number of assists in the league