Trump DEI obsession

[Glazier#1]

The findings actually blame both the military pilots and FAA air traffic control for the crash, validating Trump's early warnings about DEI potentially compromising aviation safety.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/politics/american-airlines-flight-5342-us-army-helicopter-crash

Thanks for that.

Quote from your report:

" In the lengthy response to the lawsuit, federal government lawyers admit the Black Hawk crew’s choices in flight were a “cause-in-fact and a proximate cause of the accident and the death.”

They also argue that the federal air traffic controllers around the DC-area airport can’t be held liable because they weren’t the cause of the crash."

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You missed the key word which blows this out the water. Meritocracy!!!

Unnecessary because it was implied in what I wrote.

Everything ought to depend on merit. DEI ought only be about ensuring any barriers to achieving that are removed.

 

[eaglesdare]

Thanks for that.

Quote from your report:

" In the lengthy response to the lawsuit, federal government lawyers admit the Black Hawk crew’s choices in flight were a “cause-in-fact and a proximate cause of the accident and the death.”

They also argue that the federal air traffic controllers around the DC-area airport can’t be held liable because they weren’t the cause of the crash."

It also says "A final report and probable cause from the NTSB is not expected until next month at the earliest."

So we shall just have to wait and see what the report comes out with.

 

[eaglesdare]

What?

In other words DEI is completely irrelevant.

Dubya did the same with the second gulf war. His speeches blended/confused references to Hussein and Alqede as one to the extent even college educated pilots thought they were giving payback for 9/11. Ironic given the only AQ presence in Iraq was in the Kurdish north who were mercilessly oppressed by the Iraqi government. That is, Iraq were accidental allies with the West on that conflict.and would have potentially worked closely with us if it were not for all that pesky oil.

I would like to see it investigated to rule DEI cause completely out.

 

[Spindle]

If DEI was applied by you in that way you would be failing its intentions.

It is intended to promote equal opportunities and fairness. Not provide advantage.

Another immediate contradiction

 

[Glazier#1]

The report doesn't explicitly link the FAA controller's errors to DEI, but it confirms serious air traffic control failures exactly what Trump warned about when he flagged DEI risks to aviation safety right after the crash.

If DEI played no part, why not investigate it openly.

Where did you get 'serious' from?

Again:
"They also argue that the federal air traffic controllers around the DC-area airport can’t be held liable because they weren’t the cause of the crash."

 

[Spindle]

Same place you got obsession from I guess

 

[eaglesdare]

Where did you get 'serious' from?

Again:
"They also argue that the federal air traffic controllers around the DC-area airport can’t be held liable because they weren’t the cause of the crash."

I mean any air traffic control that has failures would be serious.....wouldn't it?

Again: "A final report and probable cause from the NTSB is not expected until next month at the earliest."

 

[Glazier#1]

I mean any air traffic control that has failures would be serious.....wouldn't it?

Again: "A final report and probable cause from the NTSB is not expected until next month at the earliest."

Not a direct quote, then.

Ok, cheers.

 

[eaglesdare]

Not a direct quote, then.

Ok, cheers.

I never said it was 👍

 

[Stirlingsays]

Personally I suspect DEI has played a role in this.

I also suspect unsafe procedures.

But I await the final analysis.

 

[Spindle]

Probably a woke queer ATC who got shouty when the pilots didn't identify with the right pronouns

 

[Glazier#1]

The report doesn't explicitly link the FAA controller's errors to DEI, but it confirms serious air traffic control failures exactly what Trump warned about when he flagged DEI risks to aviation safety right after the crash.

If DEI played no part, why not investigate it openly.

So, in reply to my writing 'not a direct quote then?', you reply 'I never said it was.'

So, it doesn't confirm 'serious errors'; you do.

I would suggest that if you wish t be taken in any way seriously, you should make sure that you use quotes carefully and not twist them around just to suit your argument: that's schoolboy stuff, mate.

 

[eaglesdare]

So, in reply to my writing 'not a direct quote then?', you reply 'I never said it was.'

So, it doesn't confirm 'serious errors'; you do.

I would suggest that if you wish t be taken in any way seriously, you should make sure that you use quotes carefully and not twist them around just to suit your argument: that's schoolboy stuff, mate.

I didn't put "serious" in quotes because it's my characterisation of an admitted procedural breach that helped cause dozens of deaths, not a direct pull from the report........mate 👍

 

[cryrst]

So, in reply to my writing 'not a direct quote then?', you reply 'I never said it was.'

So, it doesn't confirm 'serious errors'; you do.

I would suggest that if you wish t be taken in any way seriously, you should make sure that you use quotes carefully and not twist them around just to suit your argument: that's schoolboy stuff, mate.

So if in any way a DEI chosen employee in some part caused this crash through inexperience then you will be back to admit your defence was a bit wrong. Why though are you so triggered with the suggestion it was caused by said DEI.

 

[Glazier#1]

I didn't put "serious" in quotes because it's my characterisation of an admitted procedural breach that helped cause dozens of deaths, not a direct pull from the report........mate 👍

Yes, your 'characterisation'.

There's a world in that and not necessarily impartial, by any means.

Oh, and you say 'triggered', Chris, where I say responding.

Let's get this right, I'm not that bothered but, as expected, am fascinated by the group response on here.

Absolute denial. lol. All part of the mind - set on here.

Amusing as hell. haha.

Happy days, mate.

 

[eaglesdare]

Yes, your 'characterisation'.

There's a world in that and not necessarily impartial, by any means.

Oh, and you say 'triggered', Chris, where I say responding.

Let's get this right, I'm not that bothered but, as expected, am fascinated by the group response on here.

Absolute denial. lol. All part of the mind - set on here.

Amusing as hell. haha.

Happy days, mate.

I dont see what the problem is? If it's been admitted that FAA procedural failure helped cause a fatal mid-air collision. Then surely then that is serious? Lives were lost. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Glazier#1]

I didn't put "serious" in quotes because it's my characterisation of an admitted procedural breach that helped cause dozens of deaths, not a direct pull from the report........mate 👍

Where, in the report, does it say that about ATC? The report says very clearly that it was the military.

For goodness sake.

Is this your 'characterisation' again?

Come on, mate, get a grip.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So, in reply to my writing 'not a direct quote then?', you reply 'I never said it was.'

So, it doesn't confirm 'serious errors'; you do.

I would suggest that if you wish t be taken in any way seriously, you should make sure that you use quotes carefully and not twist them around just to suit your argument: that's schoolboy stuff, mate.

You should try reading your posts.

You aren't exactly aiming high here.

 

[Glazier#1]

You should try reading your posts.

You aren't exactly aiming high here.

Thank you for your, as usual, uber sage response.

The site once again benefits from the words of its dependable fundi.

In the shadow of your prognostications, I bow dutifully.