Tommy Robinson

[Mattconrov]

Years ago now, some of us argued with you on Hol over your attitude towards the emerging grooming gangs scandal. Your attitude was worse at the beginning of those discussions and only softened later. I found your attitude repulsive and it can be rightly criticised for being emblematic of the problems faced by those tasked with finding justice for these girls.....I remember something to the effect of justifying the covering up this scandal for the good of community relations or something like that.....An act that enabled rapes to continue at scale and that has been officially torn to shreds in establishment reports.

Though police apologised, you have never apologised.....I think you deserve all the criticism you get. You defended actions by others that resulted in real world harm to many thousands of girls....girls have had their lives scared and ruined, murder happened, innocent people were arrested. You wrote about a phone call you had many years before the scandal was exposed officially....that also outraged me though I can't quite remember the details now.

You should be the one apologizing. People can go back and analyse what you wrote, years ago now. I think very few people reading what you wrote would come out of that with a good impression of you.....I was certainly outraged by it.

I can certainly believe all of that.
The essence of keeping " community relations " - is certainly strongly linked with the Pakistani nonce gangs. Although I believe one of the another reasons was the police didn't want to appear racist. Same thing I guess.

Also people in powerful positions didn't want it coming out as it would affect their overall agenda. Part of that agenda would be diversity is our strength.

All that being said Wisbech didn't directly or indirectly affect what had happened.

Firstly that blame should go to the politicians who have flooded our communities with these types. It showed us they imported these people without understanding any of there disgusting but perhaps accepted ways in their homeland.

Then of course you have the foot soldiers, the police and parts of the community/family relations who kept quiet.

There have been many cover ups of child abuse in this country. Some like the cover up at Dolphin square where many mps lived. Scally wag magazine did a brilliant exposure on those events and named people but we're never sued (still on a pdf via the Internet I believe).
How many children homes or the Church have covered up abuse.

I say all this because people may point it out to deflect the Pakistani nonce gangs. That doesn’t change the fact it was a massive cover up.

I just couldn't point my finger at Wisbech over this one. I like to have a laugh a dig at him, but he's not in any way culprible to me.

If he said those things they were nieve at best. If Wisbech had actually been in a position of influence in those areas at the time and behaved like that, then it's different.
we can only guess and assume how he would have behaved.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I can certainly believe all of that.
The essence of keeping " community relations " - is certainly strongly linked with the Pakistani nonce gangs. Although I believe one of the another reasons was the police didn't want to appear racist. Same thing I guess.

Also people in powerful positions didn't want it coming out as it would affect their overall agenda. Part of that agenda would be diversity is our strength.

All that being said Wisbech didn't directly or indirectly affect what had happened.

Firstly that blame should go to the politicians who have flooded our communities with these types. It showed us they imported these people without understanding any of there disgusting but perhaps accepted ways in their homeland.

Then of course you have the foot soldiers, the police and parts of the community/family relations who kept quiet.

There have been many cover ups of child abuse in this country. Some like the cover up at Dolphin square where many mps lived. Scally wag magazine did a brilliant exposure on those events and named people but we're never sued (still on a pdf via the Internet I believe).
How many children homes or the Church have covered up abuse.

I say all this because people may point it out to deflect the Pakistani nonce gangs. That doesn’t change the fact it was a massive cover up.

I just couldn't point my finger at Wisbech over this one. I like to have a laugh a dig at him, but he's not in any way culprible to me.

If he said those things they were nieve at best. If Wisbech had actually been in a position of influence in those areas at the time and behaved like that, then it's different.
we can only guess and assume how he would have behaved.

That’s isn’t the point. He excused those covering it up and not acting on it whatsoever. Absolutely appalling in all regards. Have another think mate.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I can certainly believe all of that.
The essence of keeping " community relations " - is certainly strongly linked with the Pakistani nonce gangs. Although I believe one of the another reasons was the police didn't want to appear racist. Same thing I guess.

Also people in powerful positions didn't want it coming out as it would affect their overall agenda. Part of that agenda would be diversity is our strength.

All that being said Wisbech didn't directly or indirectly affect what had happened.

Firstly that blame should go to the politicians who have flooded our communities with these types. It showed us they imported these people without understanding any of there disgusting but perhaps accepted ways in their homeland.

Then of course you have the foot soldiers, the police and parts of the community/family relations who kept quiet.

There have been many cover ups of child abuse in this country. Some like the cover up at Dolphin square where many mps lived. Scally wag magazine did a brilliant exposure on those events and named people but we're never sued (still on a pdf via the Internet I believe).
How many children homes or the Church have covered up abuse.

I say all this because people may point it out to deflect the Pakistani nonce gangs. That doesn’t change the fact it was a massive cover up.

I just couldn't point my finger at Wisbech over this one. I like to have a laugh a dig at him, but he's not in any way culprible to me.

If he said those things they were nieve at best. If Wisbech had actually been in a position of influence in those areas at the time and behaved like that, then it's different.
we can only guess and assume how he would have behaved.

As I said in the post, he's emblematic.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Maybe he should be referred to by his "real" name Andrew Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

Although, old Prince Albert, whose family bore the surname, was a solid forward thinking chap who was is in large part responsible for the building from which the club got its name.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I am not, nor should I be.

No one at all defends this kind of activity. The only difference being the most effective way to deal with it. Which is not something I, anyone here, or who is making rabble rousing videos is an expert on.

I have defended those who have had the unenviable task of accepting the responsibility to try to handle it because they aren’t able to themselves and, I am quite sure, as a body of people they tried to do their best in challenging circumstances. That we have learned more as time passed and that there were individual failures doesn’t change that.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I am not, nor should I be.

No one at all defends this kind of activity. The only difference being the most effective way to deal with it. Which is not something I, anyone here, or who is making rabble rousing videos is an expert on.

I have defended those who have had the unenviable task of accepting the responsibility to try to handle it because they aren’t able to themselves and, I am quite sure, as a body of people they tried to do their best in challenging circumstances. That we have learned more as time passed and that there were individual failures doesn’t change that.

More waffle defending those at fault. This is disgraceful and you’ve lost the one ounce of credibility you had. You’re a disgrace for this and Steeleye is a disgrace for his antisemitism.

 

[Mattconrov]

As I said in the post, he's emblematic.

I know and understand you did.

However this was such a sorry episode in our history/current events; that any criticism can look a far lot worse.

Look, I'm the last person to want to be defending my Cornish palace fan. I just think it will look to him like you are directly blaming in. I would in the same situation.

All said just an opinion. X

 

[Mattconrov]

That’s isn’t the point. He excused those covering it up and not acting on it whatsoever. Absolutely appalling in all regards. Have another think mate.

The point Stirling was making, was Wisbechs views were emblematic of the problem.

I agree with this statement.

However on a subject such as this, where Wisbech had absolutely nothing to do with the cover up there white girls were raped by Pakistani nonce gangs - any criticism made will look like he is partly to blame.

That's the tacit implication to me.

If he excused those covering it up then that's terrible. But I was just pointing out how it would look to him or me if I was emblematic of the problem.

Blimey I can't believe I'm sticking up for Wisbech. Lol

 

[Mattconrov]

I've not watched much with regards to the grooming gangs inquiries.

I would be careful of thinking that no one in the police or possibly politicians or other people in the community didn't say anything at the time. Some must have.

You only need one person in the chain of authority to stop that complaint going any further.

There would and have been a lot cases where individual policemen/politicians did sod all to help.

But I can bet some people did try.

I used to know this police superintendent guy. I was once talking to him about my conspiracy stuff. He said that there are many cases he had, where gangs of criminals could have been brought down. The full evidence was there; but as soon as it went upstairs it was blocked.

This is the emblematic problem we have with the system

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Years ago now, some of us argued with you on Hol over your attitude towards the emerging grooming gangs scandal. Your attitude was worse at the beginning of those discussions and only softened later. I found your attitude repulsive and it can be rightly criticised for being emblematic of the problems faced by those tasked with finding justice for these girls.....I remember something to the effect of justifying the covering up this scandal for the good of community relations or something like that.....An act that enabled rapes to continue at scale and that has been officially torn to shreds in establishment reports.

Though police apologised, you have never apologised.....I think you deserve all the criticism you get. You defended actions by others that resulted in real world harm to many thousands of girls....girls have had their lives scared and ruined, murder happened, innocent people were arrested. You wrote about a phone call you had many years before the scandal was exposed officially....that also outraged me though I can't quite remember the details now.

You should be the one apologizing. People can go back and analyse what you wrote, years ago now. I think very few people reading what you wrote would come out of that with a good impression of you.....I was certainly outraged by it.

You are completely wrong.

That I tried to rationalise the initial approach doesn’t mean I approved or supported it. I was never in a position to do either. Unlike some here I don’t pretend I know enough to think I have the right answers to issues like this. I have neither the knowledge nor the resources to gather it.

All I ever did was share the little experience I had personally witnessed and attempt to make sense of it, whilst at the same time expressing sympathy and understanding for overworked and under resourced police and social service departments trying to cope with a multitude of expectations thrust at them by us. It seemed to me they could never win.

We have had subsequent investigations that have revealed systemic failures and the adoption of a new strategy. I now, as we all do, understand more.

There is no apology needed from me and you insult me, once again, with your awful ignorance in suggesting that it is. I have never, even once, defended criminal activity. I have defended public servants charged with investigating them and trying to protect victims, but not any individual who failed to do their duty.

The phone call that you refer to was from one of my daughters who related a story told her by one of her friends. Which was the first time I became aware of anything like this. It was many years before there was any kind of public awareness and, so far as I knew, was an isolated local problem. I mentioned it to a policeman I knew who confirmed they were aware of a problem and that it was being dealt with. That was the end of my involvement. Rightly so, in my opinion. I am not a vigilante!

Any “outrage” from you is entirely misguided, but unsurprising as you frequently misrepresent my opinions and attitudes and have consistently done so over this issue.

If any outrage is truly justified it’s from me over these misrepresentations and character slurs.

 

[georgenorman]

I know and understand you did.

However this was such a sorry episode in our history/current events; that any criticism can look a far lot worse.

Look, I'm the last person to want to be defending my Cornish palace fan. I just think it will look to him like you are directly blaming in. I would in the same situation.

All said just an opinion. X

Perhaps we should campaign to have ‘Eagle’ removed from his title.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I've not watched much with regards to the grooming gangs inquiries.

I would be careful of thinking that no one in the police or possibly politicians or other people in the community didn't say anything at the time. Some must have.

You only need one person in the chain of authority to stop that complaint going any further.

There would and have been a lot cases where individual policemen/politicians did sod all to help.

But I can bet some people did try.

I used to know this police superintendent guy. I was once talking to him about my conspiracy stuff. He said that there are many cases he had, where gangs of criminals could have been brought down. The full evidence was there; but as soon as it went upstairs it was blocked.

This is the emblematic problem we have with the system

It’s a system which demands sufficient proof to get a conviction in Court as assessed by the CPS to avoid further clogging up an already over burdened service.

Individual officers may think they have enough evidence but they aren’t lawyers and the defendants will use them.

We could change the system. Whether we should is a much bigger question.

 

[Mattconrov]

It’s a system which demands sufficient proof to get a conviction in Court as assessed by the CPS to avoid further clogging up an already over burdened service.

Individual officers may think they have enough evidence but they aren’t lawyers and the defendants will use them.

We could change the system. Whether we should is a much bigger question.

I would guess the police superintendent knew more about the cases he was referring to than you.

It's clearly not a black and white issue.
Yes your points are true in some cases.

This police superintendent was sincere in what he was saying and saddened by it.

I don't think either of us know 100 percent whether the copper was correct. But I'll take his testament over yours in this case.

The recent ongoing events with Pakistani grooming gangs,goes to show that someone in authority high up is blocking progress, as well as police on the street.

If you don't agree, this suggests you don't belive there are any good coopers.

But I think like me, you believe there are a lot of good ones.

 

[Mattconrov]

Perhaps we should campaign to have ‘Eagle’ removed from his title.

Free speech brother.

That's most important when defending our cornish friends free speech.

I don't think he'd do the same for us.

During "covid" he was massively into supporting the cancellation of people who had a different opinion. Using "misinformation " as the reason.

We are not like him in that respect.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I know and understand you did.

However this was such a sorry episode in our history/current events; that any criticism can look a far lot worse.

Look, I'm the last person to want to be defending my Cornish palace fan. I just think it will look to him like you are directly blaming in. I would in the same situation.

All said just an opinion. X

I engaged with him for months over this subject.

I'll just say that if it had been yourself you would probably feel a similar way to me.

It was quite the experience.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Perhaps we should campaign to have ‘Eagle’ removed from his title.

Maybe we could come up with a few new titles for him.

GasMaintenanceGuy or something.

 

[Stirlingsays]

If any outrage is truly justified it’s from me over these misrepresentations and character slurs.

The posts we had on this topic were long and detailed and mostly on the older site.

I'll say to anyone who wants an objective view and sense of what I was dealing with, people can go and read that thread on these rape gangs and come to their own conclusions.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Free speech brother.

That's most important when defending our cornish friends free speech.

I don't think he'd do the same for us.

During "covid" he was massively into supporting the cancellation of people who had a different opinion. Using "misinformation " as the reason.

We are not like him in that respect.

I don't think George is being literal....I could certainly think of a few alternatives to 'Eagle' for him.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Maybe we could come up with a few new titles for him.

GasMaintenanceGuy or something.

He's just called 'ignored member' on my account. Very apt.

 

[Mattconrov]

It’s a system which demands sufficient proof to get a conviction in Court as assessed by the CPS to avoid further clogging up an already over burdened service.

Individual officers may think they have enough evidence but they aren’t lawyers and the defendants will use them.

We could change the system. Whether we should is a much bigger question.

I guess this must have been another case the cps thought unimportant.

You may say this man is lying. But that's what the police thought of the little girls being raped by Pakistani's.