Tommy Robinson

[Teddy Eagle]

I intend to watch it and hope others do to in the hope that their minds might be changed. Mine is more likely to have my fears confirmed and be better informed.

Yes ,it’s not just our problem as it obviously is growing elsewhere in Europe and indeed in the USA. The EU appear to be better organised and more resolute in dealing with it. Yet another reason to condemn the stupidity of Brexit.

Europe may be better organised and resolute but it looks as though they're going to have to be.

Mapped: Europe’s rapidly rising right

Hard-right forces are gaining ground ahead of next month’s European Parliament election.

www.politico.eu

 

[Glazier#1]

I intend to watch it and hope others do to in the hope that their minds might be changed. Mine is more likely to have my fears confirmed and be better informed.

Yes ,it’s not just our problem as it obviously is growing elsewhere in Europe and indeed in the USA. The EU appear to be better organised and more resolute in dealing with it. Yet another reason to condemn the stupidity of Brexit.

On here, you have as much chance as a snowball in hell. The Closed Mind Society lol. CMS.

 

[Stirlingsays]

On here, you have as much chance as a snowball in hell. The Closed Mind Society lol. CMS.

Oh the irony.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

I note with interest that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is on his way back to the U.K. tonight.

Showing yet again that Wisbech doesn’t know what he is talking about, as he said on this Forum only a few weeks ago (13/09 - Sentences Too Harsh thread) that Y-L was a ‘coward’ and ‘would find refuge somewhere that the UK cannot get hold of him’ and would not be likely to return to the UK.

As out of touch as ever 🙄

 

[Stirlingsays]

While I, like most of the DR, have differences with Robinson I think that he has the right of reply and is constantly under political persecution in this country. He has property in Israel and a lot of backers there and could leave and live quite a nice and quiet life with his family there.....but he's chosen to put himself back into the fire and probable prison. I respect that.....and I note that some said he'd run away, but those people rarely predict anything correctly anyway.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848069982766166320

 

[Rudi Hedman]

While I, like most of the DR, have differences with Robinson I think that he has the right of reply and is constantly under political persecution in this country. He has property in Israel and a lot of backers there and could leave and live quite a nice and quiet life with his family there.....but he's chosen to put himself back into the fire and probable prison. I respect that.....and I note that some said he'd run away, but those people rarely predict anything correctly anyway.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848069982766166320

I’ve wanted to know for a while what the DR is apart from a doctor or the Dominican Republic. Can I ask what differences you have with TR?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

While I, like most of the DR, have differences with Robinson I think that he has the right of reply and is constantly under political persecution in this country. He has property in Israel and a lot of backers there and could leave and live quite a nice and quiet life with his family there.....but he's chosen to put himself back into the fire and probable prison. I respect that.....and I note that some said he'd run away, but those people rarely predict anything correctly anyway.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848069982766166320

the Crusade of Tommy Robinson does seem to be exactly that. A religious suicide-mission against Islam. It surprises me that he has even lasted this long.


Considering there is a history of fellas getting their head chopped off for almost nothing : eating a sandwich during a fast, refusing to convert to Islam ( the Scottish bloke who discovered Timbuktu ), being gay, shaking hands with somebody else's wife, drawing a cartoon, wearing the wrong clothes.......

....the Target-sign on the back of TR is enormous. With hundreds of thousands of angry blokes intent on getting him. Surely the chances of us ever seeing an elderly TR are slim to none ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

I’ve wanted to know for a while what the DR is apart from a doctor or the Dominican Republic. Can I ask what differences you have with TR?

On the face of it the DR just stands for dissident right and means any politics that exists that's further than the mainstream right wing discourse (which I regard as still Blairism and socially liberal).

Some people just think the DR is Reform and while that's a version of it the actual movement itself is far more diverse than that. For example, you can hold different positions on Ukraine/Russia or say Israel/Palestine and still fit within that umbrella.

The way I see the DR is basic social conservativism...It's essentially the politics I and others like yourself have been writing on these boards. Of course you get people who are more about the economics of the argument but I regard that as almost quaint given that neoliberal global interdependence is undemocratically baked into the system by our neoliberal commie overlords. So I tend to focus on the social ills created by neo/social liberalism.

There are of course thought leaders in the DR and given that it covers quite a range you choose them depending upon where you are. It ranges from David Starkey (who given that he's associated with 'Pop' Conservativism could now be considered part of the new broom sweeping the Tories and a Jennick type)...I'll support a chunk of that but personally I am, mostly in the AA (academic agent) LotusEaters camp.....But of course it goes to even further right than that.

After being called a Nazi on these very pages by Gusset I started a journey of actually exploring ideas on the right to both learn and then find out where I stood.

So for me I'll link to the LotusEaters website, which is a very successful part of the DR and is mostly where I am politically.

Lotus Eaters

www.lotuseaters.com

They do a free webcast every week discussing the weekly events that affect us all, here is the latest one.

Academic Agent is a big influence in the DR and someone I listen to quite a lot as well and here is a link to his YT page where he has regular output.

Academic Agent

Radio 4 for woke people. Pursue life-time learning and do one of my courses here: https://www.academic-agency.com/

www.youtube.com

And some information on his background:

Neema Parvini, Director

www.academic-agency.com

He has several books and had a bestseller with The Populist Delusion a couple of years ago.

And a good reading list for those interested in the DR's basic ideas would be something like this:

Academic Agent Books

Books shelved as academic-agent: The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam by Douglas Murray, Excuse Me, Professor: Challenging the Myths...

www.goodreads.com

However, those are just my main influences and the DR contains much more than that and essentially roots you into what kind of conservative you are but even more importantly than that teaches you where the country and the west is going, why and how it happened and how to adapt to it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I differ with Robinson insomuch as he's still at heart a social liberal.....I know that's a million miles away from the lies the media present but when you actually listen to what he thinks then essentially that's the truth.

His main thing is counter Jihad and indeed, before Robinson it barely existed outside of the National Front (who were the first people to expose the grooming gangs...decades before the establishment pretended to care about it).

The other thing with Robinson is that he's very much a Zionist and while I can respect that position it's not my own as I'm more neutral on that as it's none of our business.

However, I'm aware that a lot of his funding comes from Israel and that it's in his interests to take it because the elites in this country, left or right, have it in for him. However, personally I don't ever want to be in the position where bombing children is something I defend.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I differ with Robinson insomuch as he's still at heart a social liberal.....I know that's a million miles away from the lies the media present but when you actually listen to what he thinks then essentially that's the truth.

His main thing is counter Jihad and indeed, before Robinson it barely existed outside of the National Front (who were the first people to expose the grooming gangs...decades before the establishment pretended to care about it).

The other thing with Robinson is that he's very much a Zionist and while I can respect that position it's not my own as I'm more neutral on that as it's none of our business.

However, I'm aware that a lot of his funding comes from Israel and that it's in his interests to take it because the elites in this country, left or right, have it in for him. However, personally I don't ever want to be in the position where bombing children is something I defend.

Yeah I forgot about your differences over Israel.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

The other thing with Robinson is that he's very much a Zionist and while I can respect that position it's not my own as I'm more neutral on that as it's none of our business.

i wish everybody thought like yourself Sterling.

Israel/Palestine is as relevant to me as Nogorno-Karabak or the people fighting in East Timor.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I note with interest that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is on his way back to the U.K. tonight.

Showing yet again that Wisbech doesn’t know what he is talking about, as he said on this Forum only a few weeks ago (13/09 - Sentences Too Harsh thread) that Y-L was a ‘coward’ and ‘would find refuge somewhere that the UK cannot get hold of him’ and would not be likely to return to the UK.

As out of touch as ever 🙄

We’ll see. Though it’s been reported that he has returned no one actually has reported seeing him. We’ll know if he turns up for his Court appearance. More likely it will be at another provocative “rally”, hiding behind the thugs who protect him to try to avoid being arrested.

If anyone watched the C4 documentary you would have seen him being given a very rough ride, with video extracts showing him as a loudmouth bully with appalling racist views.

One interesting point that emerged from the documentary was the reason the far right often take such extreme positions. It’s not apparently because they actually advocate for them or expect their implementation. It’s to make other slightly less extreme, but still way right of centre positions, seem reasonable and acceptable to average people. Tell big lies frequently enough and some start to believe they are true. A phenomenon which can be witnessed here.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We’ll see. Though it’s been reported that he has returned no one actually has reported seeing him. We’ll know if he turns up for his Court appearance. More likely it will be at another provocative “rally”, hiding behind the thugs who protect him to try to avoid being arrested.

If anyone watched the C4 documentary you would have seen him being given a very rough ride, with video extracts showing him as a loudmouth bully with appalling racist views.

One interesting point that emerged from the documentary was the reason the far right often take such extreme positions. It’s not apparently because they actually advocate for them or expect their implementation. It’s to make other slightly less extreme, but still way right of centre positions, seem reasonable and acceptable to average people. Tell big lies frequently enough and some start to believe they are true. A phenomenon which can be witnessed here.

Isn't it a common negotiating tactic to ask for more than you want? Unions do it all the time.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

We’ll see. Though it’s been reported that he has returned no one actually has reported seeing him. We’ll know if he turns up for his Court appearance. More likely it will be at another provocative “rally”, hiding behind the thugs who protect him to try to avoid being arrested.

If anyone watched the C4 documentary you would have seen him being given a very rough ride, with video extracts showing him as a loudmouth bully with appalling racist views.

One interesting point that emerged from the documentary was the reason the far right often take such extreme positions. It’s not apparently because they actually advocate for them or expect their implementation. It’s to make other slightly less extreme, but still way right of centre positions, seem reasonable and acceptable to average people. Tell big lies frequently enough and some start to believe they are true. A phenomenon which can be witnessed here.

I saw the Ch4 documentary and Tommy Robinson didn’t feature very much. The small bit on TR was mainly opinions on TR rather than factual evidence. The one incident of violence I’ve seen before, where he punched someone, was because a lefty multimillionaire’s son was giving TR grief for being in an area and the guy wouldn’t go away. This was during a visit to investigate a white British girl’s accusation against a Muslim man that he’d groomed her etc. I’ve explained this before. TR was invited into the Muslim man’s house and immediately alarm bells rang. TR spoke to others in the area and possibly the girl herself. TR came to the conclusion that the girl lied throughout and the Muslim man and his family got along very well with TR through the whole thing. But of course they left all that out.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

We’ll see. Though it’s been reported that he has returned no one actually has reported seeing him. We’ll know if he turns up for his Court appearance. More likely it will be at another provocative “rally”, hiding behind the thugs who protect him to try to avoid being arrested.

If anyone watched the C4 documentary you would have seen him being given a very rough ride, with video extracts showing him as a loudmouth bully with appalling racist views.

One interesting point that emerged from the documentary was the reason the far right often take such extreme positions. It’s not apparently because they actually advocate for them or expect their implementation. It’s to make other slightly less extreme, but still way right of centre positions, seem reasonable and acceptable to average people. Tell big lies frequently enough and some start to believe they are true. A phenomenon which can be witnessed here.

You’re a mug Wisbech, I don’t know if you practice being stupid or you are just a natural at it but he was literally filmed arriving back at Luton on Sunday night. It was shared publicly on Social media and has been seen by hundreds of thousands of people. He is back in the UK, no ‘We’ll see’ about it, what is your problem with the truth?!

You were wrong - plain & simple…He is back!

 

[HKOwen]

You’re a mug Wisbech, I don’t know if you practice being stupid or you are just a natural at it but he was literally filmed arriving back at Luton on Sunday night. It was shared publicly on Social media and has been seen by hundreds of thousands of people. He is back in the UK, no ‘We’ll see’ about it, what is your problem with the truth?!

You were wrong - plain & simple…He is back!

I agree with the entire content of this post.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You’re a mug Wisbech, I don’t know if you practice being stupid or you are just a natural at it but he was literally filmed arriving back at Luton on Sunday night. It was shared publicly on Social media and has been seen by hundreds of thousands of people. He is back in the UK, no ‘We’ll see’ about it, what is your problem with the truth?!

You were wrong - plain & simple…He is back!

He's wrong so often he could get his own misspelt entry in a Chinese phone book.

Maybe he knows that two wrongs don't make a right, so he's decided to go for thousands of them just to see if he can't get one right eventually.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You’re a mug Wisbech, I don’t know if you practice being stupid or you are just a natural at it but he was literally filmed arriving back at Luton on Sunday night. It was shared publicly on Social media and has been seen by hundreds of thousands of people. He is back in the UK, no ‘We’ll see’ about it, what is your problem with the truth?!

You were wrong - plain & simple…He is back!

I'll take your word for him being seen and filmed. I haven't seen that reported, but then again, I am busy doing more important things and am not very interested in following his activities anyway.

Yes, I was wrong. I thought this was his final runner, but it will happen soon enough. I will leave others to conclude why he has decided to try to provoke more disturbances by almost demanding his arrest, but it just confirms to me what a nasty piece of work he is.

The response to his provocation is more interesting than that he will do it. We already know he will claim to be victimised for "telling the truth" when the truth is that he is breaking the law. The law applies to him just as much to you or me, whether we like, or agree, with it.

The key is how the police and then the courts respond. In an ideal situation he will be refused bail and contact with anyone but his lawyer, with all access to social media removed on the basis of the harm he causes. The big concern is whether his idiot supporters will decide to riot and cause even more disruption. Without him goading them that's less likely. We'll see.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I saw the Ch4 documentary and Tommy Robinson didn’t feature very much. The small bit on TR was mainly opinions on TR rather than factual evidence. The one incident of violence I’ve seen before, where he punched someone, was because a lefty multimillionaire’s son was giving TR grief for being in an area and the guy wouldn’t go away. This was during a visit to investigate a white British girl’s accusation against a Muslim man that he’d groomed her etc. I’ve explained this before. TR was invited into the Muslim man’s house and immediately alarm bells rang. TR spoke to others in the area and possibly the girl herself. TR came to the conclusion that the girl lied throughout and the Muslim man and his family got along very well with TR through the whole thing. But of course they left all that out.

It wasn't about him but he was used as an example of the way the far right operates by spreading lies and winding up the impressionable. The death threats that were shown to result from this were chilling.

The background to his violence is unimportant. One event was shown, but several others could have been.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

It wasn't about him but he was used as an example of the way the far right operates by spreading lies and winding up the impressionable. The death threats that were shown to result from this were chilling.

The background to his violence is unimportant. One event was shown, but several others could have been.

The programme was really about real far right groups in East Europe. They’re far right because they’re in favour of deportation for just being non white for example.

One TR violent incident was shown without the backstory but others that were more violent could have been but weren’t. Ok bud.

The programme did not and cannot erase concerns about the level of immigration which is where most people are who have at least concerns. The far right are a minority.