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Tommy Robinson

Stirlingsays said:
The 75 percent figure from MI5 is negligent and the idea that the 'far right' deserve 25 percent of spending is pure politics.

As far as I'm aware there is no significant violent threat from the 'far right'. Aside from the growing threat from violent Islam, there is far more threat from foreign criminal gangs in our cities.

This spending is political in nature and if we get an attack from Islamists that is due to this chosen level of split in resources then those responsible for those decisions will have at least that negligence as blood on their hands.
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since the brutal murder of Jo Cox, i struggle to remember a single incidence of Right wing terrorism.
Whereas other terrorism ? it now feels like a different outrage every week. And in the case of the 'Boulevard des Anglais, Nice' with a huge body-count.

9/11
Bataclan Theatre , Paris
Charlie Hebdo
7/7
The Sligo gay men
Parnell street Primary school, Dublin
Southport
Ariane Grande Concert in Manchester

etc......
 
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Glazier#1 said:
'Left-wing, anarchist and single-issue terrorism makes up a significantly smaller portion of our casework than other forms of terrorism. It encompasses a wide range of ideologies. It includes those from the extreme political left-wing as well as anarchists who seek to use violence to advance their cause in seeking to overthrow the state in all its forms.'

Taken from MI5 security web page.

It's telling the way you've conflated extreme Islamic and left-wing threats. Very handy spin, there, Rudi.
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Ok but how much time is taken up with Islamic extremism? More than 1 minute spent on domestic Islamic extremism is too much.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
since the brutal murder of Jo Cox, i struggle to remember a single incidence of Right wing terrorism.
Whereas other terrorism ? it now feels like a different outrage every week. And in the case of the 'Boulevard des Anglais, Nice' with a huge body-count.

9/11
Bataclan Theatre , Paris
Charlie Hebdo
7/7
The Sligo gay men
Parnell street Primary school, Dublin
Southport
Ariane Grande Concert in Manchester

etc......
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They all need a drink and….. relax.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
since the brutal murder of Jo Cox, i struggle to remember a single incidence of Right wing terrorism.
Whereas other terrorism ? it now feels like a different outrage every week. And in the case of the 'Boulevard des Anglais, Nice' with a huge body-count.

9/11
Bataclan Theatre , Paris
Charlie Hebdo
7/7
The Sligo gay men
Parnell street Primary school, Dublin
Southport
Ariane Grande Concert in Manchester

etc......
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Indeed,

I will of course start by saying that what he did was evil and in no way represents anyone of worthy intent.

Having said that I'll add, that the murderer of Jo Cox wasn't a member of any 'far right' groups. No group that MI5 would seemingly be watching and spending money in this country had anything to do with him and no evidence to the contrary has ever been produced.....that doesn't of course stop the slurs and the media deliberately making connections in the public's mind.

According to Wiki he had 'links' to a little known US based 'neo Nazi' group. However it is notable that what this amounts to isn't expanded on.....probably posting on their forums.

So this guy actually seems more like a lone nut nationalist who went off the rails rather than someone involved in far right groups planning something.
 
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Saw someone earlier who looked like he’s off to the Palestine protest. Young Muslim in one of those long skirts that looked leather/plastic in black and a hoodie with Arabic writing on the sleeves or maybe more. Glad I’m not on a train today.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Saw someone earlier who looked like he’s off to the Palestine protest. Young Muslim in one of those long skirts that looked leather/plastic in black and a hoodie with Arabic writing on the sleeves or maybe more. Glad I’m not on a train today.
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What is the reason for that?
 
Glazier#1 said:
What is the reason for that?
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For not being on a train today? I don’t have to answer that. For being glad I’m not on a train? Because I won’t be on a train with loads of people who are pro Hamas and Hezbollah, antisemitic or hate this country or people from it. Being against war and death of innocent people is okay but all those beliefs are not and they will be on their way to and from London today. I know why you asked the question and I don’t just see white people everyday for your information.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
So far as I know Yaxley-Lennon is not the subject. He is included as an example but it’s not specifically about him. It’s about the growth of right-wing extremism.

Extremism ought, in my opinion, concern us all, no matter what its source is.

I would watch any documentary detailing how extremism is founded and what is being done to overcome it as I believe eradicating it is central to the future health of the nation.
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Fair enough if that's the biggest threat the country is facing. There are other issues I think are far more concerning.
 
Stirlingsays said:
The 75 percent figure from MI5 is negligent and the idea that the 'far right' deserve 25 percent of spending is pure politics.

As far as I'm aware there is no significant violent threat from the 'far right'. Aside from the growing threat from violent Islam, there is far more threat from foreign criminal gangs in our cities.

This spending is political in nature and if we get an attack from Islamists that is due to this chosen level of split in resources then those responsible for those decisions will have at least that negligence as blood on their hands.
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Wonderful!

The resident expert on everything now knows better than our security forces.

Who does this attitude remind you of? Perhaps a former US President who admires dictators and thinks whatever he says is true?

MI5 don’t underestimate or ignore the threat from Islamic terrorism but equally they are rightly concerned if they become aware of other growing threats.

Their information is going to be much more accurate than any non expert on a football website. That’s their job and we should trust them to do it.

The idea that they would allow their work to be tainted by political interference is an insult to the dedicated people who do such great work on our behalf. If there was even the slightest suggestion that was true it would quickly become public via leaks.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Fair enough if that's the biggest threat the country is facing. There are other issues I think are far more concerning.
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Who said it is the biggest?

The suggestion is that it is the fastest growing and at a rate which is causing concern. Allow something to double every year and it doesn’t take long to be the biggest. Take action now and it won’t.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
For not being on a train today? I don’t have to answer that. For being glad I’m not on a train? Because I won’t be on a train with loads of people who are pro Hamas and Hezbollah, antisemitic or hate this country or people from it. Being against war and death of innocent people is okay but all those beliefs are not and they will be on their way to and from London today. I know why you asked the question and I don’t just see white people everyday for your information.
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Wow! All that from your assumptions about someone wearing a long garment and a hoodie with 'arabic writing' on it. Blimey.

Ok.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Wow! All that from your assumptions about someone wearing a long garment and a hoodie with 'arabic writing' on it. Blimey.

Ok.
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It’s either naivety or treachery that you think people like I’ve described don’t exist and attend these events. There’s videos of them every week.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Who said it is the biggest?

The suggestion is that it is the fastest growing and at a rate which is causing concern. Allow something to double every year and it doesn’t take long to be the biggest. Take action now and it won’t.
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OK, then watch it. You never know you might change your mind or at least have your concerns eased. If not what action should be taken?
The rise of right wing extremism is increasing more quickly in Germany and France. Will the EU look as enticing if that trend continues?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
OK, then watch it. You never know you might change your mind or at least have your concerns eased. If not what action should be taken?
The rise of right wing extremism is increasing more quickly in Germany and France. Will the EU look as enticing if that trend continues?
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I intend to watch it and hope others do to in the hope that their minds might be changed. Mine is more likely to have my fears confirmed and be better informed.

Yes ,it’s not just our problem as it obviously is growing elsewhere in Europe and indeed in the USA. The EU appear to be better organised and more resolute in dealing with it. Yet another reason to condemn the stupidity of Brexit.
 
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