The Politics of 'Climate-change'

[Teddy Eagle]

As you appear to be off on another wander into the pedantic forest I won’t be joining you.

You know exactly what is meant. Pedantic you are, but stupid you aren’t.

Why is it pedantic to question how the potential addition of 100,000 flights a year is going to be offset?

 

[Spindle]

Whereas whether I vote in a country responsible for, at most, 1% of damaging emissions is the final word on the subject.

CO2 doesn't give a s*** where in the world it is produced. Neither do you.

Have you thought a jot about the emissions from the production of s*** that is being made for you, abroad? Or the emissions from our oil production that we ship out and is burned elsewhere? You live in one of the richest nations and you are trying to tell us that your own contribution is negligible. Honestly you don't have a clue but you spout this nonsense as if you know what you are talking about 🤣🤦

If you are as you claim on emissions you'd be living like the hippy green people you despise.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

CO2 doesn't give a s*** where in the world it is produced. Neither do you.

Have you thought a jot about the emissions from the production of s*** that is being made for you, abroad? Or the emissions from our oil production that we ship out and is burned elsewhere? You live in one of the richest nations and you are trying to tell us that your own contribution is negligible. Honestly you don't have a clue but you spout this nonsense as if you know what you are talking about 🤣🤦

If you are as you claim on emissions you'd be living like the hippy green people you despise.

Congratulations on covering every base there. Since you are obviously the self-appointed authority on every conceivable subject perhaps you will answer the original question: what do you want us to do?

 

[HKOwen]

And yet you can't see the irony of travelling on an electric train where a steel track has been carved from one location to the next

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Carved? Anyway, I don't have a problem with electricity, I don't agree with the scam of promoting wind power as a cheap reliable method of generation.

Do you know what irony is, just asking.

 

[Spindle]

Thanks for your recognition. Well I assume so anyway. Or you're taking the piss out of me without an explanation because you can't counter what I said.

What should we do? As much as possible as fast as possible to limit the cost and the damage. Regardless the damage is already humongous, we are frogs in a pan of water on the stove.

But, we won't, and the damage will be collosal. Global population collapse will help though, that's coming too, so yeah, humanity is gonna get a kick in the nuts from the planet

 

[Spindle]

Carved? Anyway, I don't have a problem with electricity, I don't agree with the scam of promoting wind power as a cheap reliable method of generation.

Do you know what irony is, just asking.

Why's it a scam? The blade turns, it generates leccy. Or is that a big conspiracy?

 

[HKOwen]

Why's it a scam? The blade turns, it generates leccy. Or is that a big conspiracy?

It's inconsistent in supply, massive carbon footprint with the manufacture and ultimate discarding, poor value lifespan, expensive distribution.

The opposite of nuclear for example.

I appreciate you know little of this subject but a little research would give you a basic understanding.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Thanks for your recognition. Well I assume so anyway. Or you're taking the piss out of me without an explanation because you can't counter what I said.

What should we do? As much as possible as fast as possible to limit the cost and the damage. Regardless the damage is already humongous, we are frogs in a pan of water on the stove.

But, we won't, and the damage will be collosal. Global population collapse will help though, that's coming too, so yeah, humanity is gonna get a kick in the nuts from the planet

Recognition of your self-appointed status? Sure.
What am I'm supposed to be countering? We should do something immediately, although what is a mystery and it won't make any difference anyway.

 

[Apollofuzz]

It's inconsistent in supply, massive carbon footprint with the manufacture and ultimate discarding, poor value lifespan, expensive distribution.

The opposite of nuclear for example.

I appreciate you know little of this subject but a little research would give you a basic understanding.

Massive carbon footprint compared to what?

How Green Is Wind Power, Really? A New Report Tallies Up The Carbon Cost Of Renewables

Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.

www.forbes.com

How Wind Can Help Us Breathe Easier

Learn how wind energy can provide health and climate benefits that outweigh its costs.

www.energy.gov

I agree there needs to be investment in infrastructure but that will go for what ever way we go.

Currently disposal of used blades is an issue which they are working on but so in Nuclear waste.

I think a combination of Wind and small nuclear package plants could be the way foreword.

 

[Spindle]

It's inconsistent in supply, massive carbon footprint with the manufacture and ultimate discarding, poor value lifespan, expensive distribution.

The opposite of nuclear for example.

I appreciate you know little of this subject but a little research would give you a basic understanding.

When you calculate nuclear are you including the decommissioning costs? Usually that gets completely ignored. It takes 80+ years of servicing AFTER a site stops generating.

I think your argument isn't based, you're going to have to show your workings because it's not really believable to me tbh. Also, as for consistent power - that's what batteries are for, and they don't have to be lithium batteries, they just have to be something that stores energy. PS I prefer nukes to fossil fuels.

 

[HKOwen]

When you calculate nuclear are you including the decommissioning costs? Usually that gets completely ignored. It takes 80+ years of servicing AFTER a site stops generating.

I think your argument isn't based, you're going to have to show your workings because it's not really believable to me tbh. Also, as for consistent power - that's what batteries are for, and they don't have to be lithium batteries, they just have to be something that stores energy. PS I prefer nukes to fossil fuels.

Nuclear and wind have approx same net carbon per kw but this excludes extra infrastructure need ed for wind, nuclear has twice the life span and some other bits and pieces, in the round wind and solar have 50% bigger carbon footprint than nuclear, adverse environmental impact is a whole other thing.

If you want to know more then plenty available

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Why is it pedantic to question how the potential addition of 100,000 flights a year is going to be offset?

Because the subject isn’t 100,000 flights at Gatwick, whether additional or not.

The subject is the way we respond to climate change. Which cannot be done individually but only collectively. Individuals participate but they cannot organise.

Life will go whilst those responses are made. Some may have reverse impacts, at least temporarily. It’s the direction and speed of travel which matters. It’s impossible for any non expert to measure that. We must trust those who are. Which seems to be impossible for some of those who think they know better on everything.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Because the subject isn’t 100,000 flights at Gatwick, whether additional or not.

The subject is the way we respond to climate change. Which cannot be done individually but only collectively. Individuals participate but they cannot organise.

Life will go whilst those responses are made. Some may have reverse impacts, at least temporarily. It’s the direction and speed of travel which matters. It’s impossible for any non expert to measure that. We must trust those who are. Which seems to be impossible for some of those who think they know better on everything.

Just because it's your subject doesn't mean it has to be mine.
Adding many thousands of flights into and out of Gatwick is a response which isn't likely to help climate change. Or do these vaunted experts think differently?
Perhaps the added income is adequate compensation for the damage caused.

 

[eaglesdare]

Ryanair have also started flying to Cornwall now. Dam that climate change.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Just because it's your subject doesn't mean it has to be mine.
Adding many thousands of flights into and out of Gatwick is a response which isn't likely to help climate change. Or do these vaunted experts think differently?
Perhaps the added income is adequate compensation for the damage caused.

It’s neither mine nor your subject! The thread is about the politics of climate change. Not individual events which might contribute to it.

(We have no idea whether there will be that many additional flights, whether any will be transferred from elsewhere or putting them at Gatwick would be more efficient/less climate damaging than putting them elsewhere.)

Your cynicism about the motivations of experts might amuse you during your wander along the pedantic path but it’s not going to help anyone, you included.