The Donald Trump thread

[eaglesdare]

"A couple of years ago, Kirk made a comment about some gun deaths in the U.S. being "worth it" to ensure the continued existence of the second amendment to the U.S. constitution, which is the right to keep and bear arms.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," he said during an April 5, 2023, appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church. "That is a prudent deal.""

Unfortunately he was a victim of his own words. It was a prudent deal.

Twisting it to mock his murder shows disdain for the rights he fought for. He was murdered by the violent rhetoric of the radical left.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Tyke = a person from the English county of Yorkshire (not Barnsley). I moved and lived there with work for 22 years. I was born and lived in SE25 for 37 years - 3 years of those as a programme seller in the Arthur Waite (I was a contemporary of Sideo) and 18 years as a season ticket hoider. I am not at all unpleasant and unlike you modernist Brits am not obsessed with categorising people by race, gender, age, political affiliation, health, inside leg measurement and geographical location.

Yeah, we know....your type of boomer caused all the problems and then some of you buggered off.

 

[Stirlingsays]

"A couple of years ago, Kirk made a comment about some gun deaths in the U.S. being "worth it" to ensure the continued existence of the second amendment to the U.S. constitution, which is the right to keep and bear arms.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," he said during an April 5, 2023, appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church. "That is a prudent deal.""

Unfortunately he was a victim of his own words. It was a prudent deal.

This is typical leftist manipulation of language to feed to its low IQ supporters who might feel bad for Charlie Kirk and family over one of their own murdering him.

You came on here and wrote, ' I was OK with Charlie Kirk's murder as he agreed that such things were inevitable and actually condoned such actions'.

I corrected that with his actual position and related it to cars....which no doubt you accept are 'worth it'.

He never did condone people murdering with guns and it is misinformation to spread word manipulation suggesting he did.

Kirk was murdered and he never condoned murder. He's position on guns was constitutional.

Charlie Kirk's position on the 2nd Amendment is literally the majority view in America.

What you wrote suggests that the majority in America are 'condoning' murder, which is ridiculous and extreme.

 

[Tyke Exile]

Twisting it to mock his murder shows disdain for the rights he fought for. He was murdered by the violent rhetoric of the radical left.

No offence and with all due respect sir, you are talking utter bollocks. How can I twist the words he actually said? He fought for the rights of rich white supremists. He was murdered by Tyler Robinson of whom his grandmother said "Most of the family are Republicans, and added that she did not know "a single Democrat". Childhood photos show the Robinson family on trips to shoot guns and see weapons displays. That doesn't sound like the action of radical left. Kirk was murdered by one of his own disillusioned party members. The world is better off without him.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The left disgust me.

Full of liars and twisters of the truth.

Half of them are mentally ill.

 

[eaglesdare]

No offence and with all due respect sir, you are talking utter bollocks. How can I twist the words he actually said? He fought for the rights of rich white supremists. He was murdered by Tyler Robinson of whom his grandmother said "Most of the family are Republicans, and added that she did not know "a single Democrat". Childhood photos show the Robinson family on trips to shoot guns and see weapons displays. That doesn't sound like the action of radical left. Kirk was murdered by one of his own disillusioned party members. The world is better off without him.

Robinsons family being Republican doesn't make him one. His own mother said he shifted left.

He dated a trans person, engraved Antifa slogans on bullets, and targeted Kirk as a "fascist" spreading hate. That's radical left ideology in action.

 

[Tyke Exile]

This is typical leftist manipulation of language to feed to its low IQ supporters who might feel bad for Charlie Kirk and family over one of their own murdering him.

You came on here and wrote, ' I was OK with Charlie Kirk's murder as he agreed that such things were inevitable and actually condoned such actions'.

I corrected that with his actual position and related it to cars....which no doubt you accept are 'worth it'.

He never did condone people murdering with guns and it is misinformation to spread word manipulation suggesting he did.

Kirk was murdered and he never condoned murder. He's position on guns was constitutional.

Charlie Kirk's position on the 2nd Amendment is literally the majority view in America.

What you wrote suggests that the majority in America are 'condoning' murder, which is ridiculous and extreme.

Left = good, right = evil. It is surely the right who are of of low IQ and seem to think that everything they don't like (or rather don't understand) has been invented or manipulated. Is it ridiculous and extreme to think that the 2nd amendment which was ratified in 1791 is not fit for purpose in 2025. Most Americans don't agree with it but sadly the NRA have the influence over weak politicians to ensure that it continues.

 

[Tyke Exile]

Robinsons family being Republican doesn't make him one. His own mother said he shifted left.

He dated a trans person, engraved Antifa slogans on bullets, and targeted Kirk as a "fascist" spreading hate. That's radical left ideology in action.

No - it's the action of a sad individual who is obviously confused by his own identity. You choose to only accept the traits that you wish to support your own incorrect argument. Antifa is an alleged organisation invention by Trump - it doesn't exist, anyone who can think for themselves knows that.

 

[ASCPFC]

No - it's the action of a sad individual who is obviously confused by his own identity. You choose to only accept the traits that you wish to support your own incorrect argument. Antifa is an alleged organisation invention by Trump - it doesn't exist, anyone who can think for themselves knows that.

Luckily all the evil fascists exist though.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Left = good, right = evil. It is surely the right who are of of low IQ and seem to think that everything they don't like (or rather don't understand) has been invented or manipulated. Is it ridiculous and extreme to think that the 2nd amendment which was ratified in 1791 is not fit for purpose in 2025. Most Americans don't agree with it but sadly the NRA have the influence over weak politicians to ensure that it continues.

Who were you calling low IQ again?

Taken from Grok:

Likely Outcome of a National Vote on "the Law to Own Guns"

The short answer: Such a vote would overwhelmingly uphold the right, with 70-80% approval for keeping it intact. Support for repealing or abolishing the Second Amendment hovers at just 15-25% nationally, per consistent polls, and has trended stable or slightly down since 2022 peaks post-mass shootings. This isn't just abstract sentiment—actual ballot measures on gun rights (e.g., affirming or expanding them) pass decisively in red and swing states, while restrictive ones succeed mainly in deep-blue areas but often underperform polls due to turnout from gun owners. A binary national vote would likely mirror the 2024 election's red shift, where gun rights enthusiasm helped drive Republican gains.Key Polling on the Second Amendment's Core RightNo poll asks a perfect "keep vs. repeal" question annually, but proxies (e.g., "Should the Second Amendment protect individual gun ownership?" or "Oppose repeal?") show rock-solid majorities. Here's a snapshot from 2024-2025 data, focusing on national surveys of adults or likely voters:

Poll/Source	Date	Key Finding on 2A Right	% Support Keeping/Protecting 2A	% Oppose/Favor Repeal or Limits	Notes
Monmouth University	Jun 2022 (stable through 2025 updates)	Only 15% say "better to do away with the right to bear arms"; 30% see it as absolute; 54% say important but with restrictions.	84% (keep with/without limits)	15% (repeal)	Bipartisan: 90%+ Republicans, 70% Democrats keep it. No major shift in 2025.
Rasmussen/Heartland	Oct 2023 (2025 trends)	66% oppose repealing 2A; 24% favor; 10% undecided.	66% oppose repeal	24% favor	Youth (under 40) twice as likely to favor repeal (higher Dem skew). Down from 29% peak in 2016.
Morning Consult	Feb-Apr 2024 (updated Jul 2025)	47% prioritize "protecting right to buy guns" over limits (44%); 61% say gun policy "very important" in elections.	47% (prioritize protection)	44% (prioritize limits)	Near-even split, but 2024 election data shows pro-2A turnout edged out (e.g., +5-10 pts in swing states).
Gallup	Jul 2025	56% want stricter laws, but only 20-25% support handgun bans (proxy for core right).	~75-80% (oppose bans)	20-25% (favor bans)	Long-term stable; post-2024, pro-rights views up slightly among Independents.
Pew Research	Jul 2024 (Sep 2025 update)	58% favor stricter laws, but 49% say gun ownership increases safety (vs. 49% decreases); even split on rights vs. control.	~50% (prioritize rights)	~50% (prioritize control)	Partisan gap: 79% Republicans prioritize rights; 81% Democrats control. Overall, repeal not polled but implied low.
Columbia/Knowledge Networks	2010 baseline (stable per 2025 reviews)	72% say 2A gives individuals right to own guns; 76% oppose handgun bans.	72-76%	24-28%	Enduring view; 2025 analyses confirm no erosion.

 

[eaglesdare]

No - it's the action of a sad individual who is obviously confused by his own identity. You choose to only accept the traits that you wish to support your own incorrect argument. Antifa is an alleged organisation invention by Trump - it doesn't exist, anyone who can think for themselves knows that.

Firstly...antifa predates Trump by decades. Its roots can be traced back years.

Secondly...calling Kirk a "fascist" and etching slogans is not random confusion it is straight out of radical left playbook that paints everyone that disagrees with them as existential threats. Personal struggles don't erase the ideological targeting.

The radical left couldn't debate Kirk so they silenced him the only way they could.

The TDS really is strong with you.

 

[Tyke Exile]

The left disgust me.

Full of liars and twisters of the truth.

Half of them are mentally ill.

The right disgust me.

Full of liars and twisters of the truth.

All of them are mentally ill.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Typical leftist.

Has to nick everything off of the right.

 

[eaglesdare]

The left disgust me.

Full of liars and twisters of the truth.

Half of them are mentally ill.

And the other half are just evil.

 

[Tyke Exile]

Firstly...antifa predates Trump by decades. Its roots can be traced back years.

Secondly...calling Kirk a "fascist" and etching slogans is not random confusion it is straight out of radical left playbook that paints everyone that disagrees with them as existential threats. Personal struggles don't erase the ideological targeting.

The radical left couldn't debate Kirk so they silenced him the only way they could.

The TDS really is strong with you.

Indeed - Antifa = anti-fascist, someone who doesn't like fascists. It dates from Etruscan times - look up "Fasces". It's not an organisation. Kirk was only able to debate against college kids and wasn't really very good at that. Please don't try and label me with a silly acronym that was invented by the supporters of a pedophile dictator to denigrate those who know how stupid he is.

 

[Tyke Exile]

To quote a comedic genius:- Ladies and gentlemen, I shall now bid you all good day. I'm off! I know what I was cut out to do and I should have done it long ago. YOU'RE ALL RAVING MAD!! None of you know what you're looking at. You wait 'til I'm dead, you'll see I was right!

 

[eaglesdare]

Indeed - Antifa = anti-fascist, someone who doesn't like fascists. It dates from Etruscan times - look up "Fasces". It's not an organisation. Kirk was only able to debate against college kids and wasn't really very good at that. Please don't try and label me with a silly acronym that was invented by the supporters of a pedophile dictator to denigrate those who know how stupid he is.

Antifa is not an ancient Roman symbolism it is a militant movement born in 1930s Europe to fight Nazis. 👍🏻

Kirk built his company into a powerhouse to reach the youth nationwide far beyond just "college kids." Hopefully Erika Kirk will be able to carry that torch and help Vance win the next election.

When debate fails like I said earlier then the radicals resort to bullets just as Robinson did.

Calling Trump a "pedophile dictator" just proves the TDS is very strong with you. 👍🏻

Trump is currently out in Asia signing peace deals and trade deals and dancing! While you sit at home on your computer with derangement syndrome 🤣 probably on discord or reddit echo chambers 🤣

 

[Stirlingsays]

Antifa is not an ancient Roman symbolism it is a militant movement born in 1930s Europe to fight Nazis. 👍🏻

Kirk built his company into a powerhouse to reach the youth nationwide far beyond just "college kids." Hopefully Erika Kirk will be able to carry that torch and help Vance win the next election.

When debate fails like I said earlier then the radicals resort to bullets just as Robinson did.

Calling Trump a "pedophile dictator" just proves the TDS is very strong with you. 👍🏻

Trump is currently out in Asia signing peace deals and trade deals and dancing! While you sit at home on your computer with derangement syndrome 🤣 probably on discord or reddit echo chambers 🤣

I can't be bothered with these fruitcakes.

I'm off to do something more productive.

 

[cryrst]

To quote a comedic genius:- Ladies and gentlemen, I shall now bid you all good day. I'm off! I know what I was cut out to do and I should have done it long ago. YOU'RE ALL RAVING MAD!! None of you know what you're looking at. You wait 'til I'm dead, you'll see I was right!
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[Tyke Exile]

Antifa is not an ancient Roman symbolism it is a militant movement born in 1930s Europe to fight Nazis. 👍🏻

Kirk built his company into a powerhouse to reach the youth nationwide far beyond just "college kids." Hopefully Erika Kirk will be able to carry that torch and help Vance win the next election.

When debate fails like I said earlier then the radicals resort to bullets just as Robinson did.

Calling Trump a "pedophile dictator" just proves the TDS is very strong with you. 👍🏻

Trump is currently out in Asia signing peace deals and trade deals and dancing! While you sit at home on your computer with derangement syndrome 🤣 probably on discord or reddit echo chambers 🤣

DFC is very strong with you.