That the NHS should provide everything equally to everyone, no matter what.
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The Caring Left
- Topic starter georgenorman
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That the NHS should provide everything equally to everyone, no matter what.
ASCPFC
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An obvious point is all the politicians' kids go to Private schools. But I guess expenses will cover tuition in hospital.
PalazioVecchio
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nope, politicians often do private healthcare too.
and private vehicles, private pensions.........probably the only thing 'public' about them is all the grief they cause.
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Withiut the 'caring left', there would be no National Health Service.
They created it.
They created it.
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Not the same left Steely and you know that......and that was a very different NHS as well.
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Stirlingsays
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The frigging credit card hurts more.
georgenorman
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The Conservative Manifesto for the 1945 General Election contained almost identical proposals to those of Labour for a Health Service, so there would have been.
You surprise me, Georgieboy; I had you as one of those who believe that everything should private, everyone for themselves. Am I wrong to believe that , in your ideal world, there would be no NHS?
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This story is a bit odd in that everyone in Scotland who's under 22 gets free bus travel - regardless of whether they go to a state school.
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Certainly I want massive cuts in government. My point in the original post was to illustrate the hypocrisy and malevolence of the Left. Everyone for themselves? Your faith in governments is touching - you think they give a you know what about you!
georgenorman
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You must be in a lot of pain most of the time then.
PalazioVecchio
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the caring left or the lying right. Both the same.
allowing the third or fourth generation of spongers to languish and grow in numbers.....and all never have done an honest day's work in their lives. There are no Longterm unemployed driving sports-cars in Eastern Europe. Whereas in the UK ?
allowing the third or fourth generation of spongers to languish and grow in numbers.....and all never have done an honest day's work in their lives. There are no Longterm unemployed driving sports-cars in Eastern Europe. Whereas in the UK ?
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Yes, I'm in no doubt what your point was, you made it very clear. I'm wondering, though, about what your attitude is towards a National Health Service. I'm not quite clear, even after your reply. You've quoted 'Everyone for themselves' but it never answered my curiosity on the subject. My point was I asking you whether you would prefer every person to arrange their own private health insurance.
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Every person should make their own decision as to whether they want private health insurance or not.
I quoted your use of 'everyone for themselves' it was not my usage of it.
I'm not quite clear from your posts, do you prefer that children, of parents who chose to pay for their education, should be denied free services that other children receive?
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Isn't there a state obligation that every child is entitled to free education?
I assume that we are talking about kids in hospital for long stay. So what if the parent says I want my kid to go to a state school now? Will they still be denied a teacher?
It seems very petty and it would not surprise me if it was illegal.
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Don't know about the state obligation but this is from Google
In the UK private tutoring costs typically range from £20 to £60 per hour.
The £115 an hour quoted looks a bit dubious.
NHS Scotland makes no distinction for privately educated children paying for prescriptions. They're free for everyone of any age.
*So if they decide 'not', would they, in your world, be exempt from mandatory payment of government NI contributions? In other words, would you be advocating that those who choose private health insurance would not contribute to the state health service?
Of course I knew you were quoting me but, in doing so, you never answered my enquiry. Even now, your answer is a little 'sketchy' of the finer details, hence the question above.
I would say that the provision of education services in this case should be provided but paid for by the school in question. As I wrote, the parents have already paid for a full term's fees so the school should feel duty-bound to provide whatever tuition is provided.
However, since the parents (presumably) are taxpayers, it should not stop the education being provided, whatever. The payment for the provision can be sorted after the event: a bill should be sent to the school. I'm sure they would not be averse to paying.
That is a reasonable point.
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People over 66 and some others do not pay NI contributions but receive NHS treatment free of charge. Much of NHS funding comes from general taxation anyway.
Saying that the private school should pay is like saying that a private dentist, that you have a regular payment plan with, should pay a NHS dentist you happen to go to for some reason.