The 1861 nonsense

[Teddy Eagle]

We need Indiana Jones.

From Crystal Skull to Crystal Palace.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

The historic proof is specious for 1861.

However it was definitely earlier than 1905.

The FA refused to let us form as we played from the (then) national stadium. Complete bollox reason but they thought differently in the Victorian era.

it would be the same today if a club were based at Wembley

 

[silvertop]

it would be the same today if a club were based at Wembley

Perhaps. Queens Park play from Hamden.

 

[ASCPFC]

Change our name slightly and start from this season. Then we'll be serial winners.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

There was that season the label in the replica shirts spelt our name wrong.
I think that was for tax efficiency reasons 😀

 

[zoose]

There was that season the label in the replica shirts spelt our name wrong.
I think that was for tax efficiency reasons 😀

I remember that ... hard to believe it was real, but yes, it was:

 

[braunstoneagle]

I remember that ... hard to believe it was real, but yes, it was:

never liked that club badge…pleased it changed back.

 

[Sansbup]

Newton Heath was changed to Manchester United in 1902, having been founded in 1878*. They maintain that the club was founded in 1878, so why shouldn't we use 1861, after all that organisation actually had the same name as the current Crystal Palace?

(* N.B. Manchester United officially changed their name to ManUre in 1990). 🤣

 

[Penge Eagle]

Newton Heath was changed to Manchester United in 1902, having been founded in 1878*. They maintain that the club was founded in 1878, so why shouldn't we use 1861, after all that organisation actually had the same name as the current Crystal Palace?

(* N.B. Manchester United officially changed their name to ManUre in 1990). 🤣

So another club has potentially lied means that we can too?

 

[BelfastEagle]

1861 all day long

 

[Spindle]

I also read an article that said we were founded in 1861 before turning professional in 1905, its just a complete fabrication, 2 completely different clubs, no connection between them. I wish we would drop this and stick with 1905

Clearly the formation years of other clubs is really going to piss you off when you go digging

It's 1861, that's it.

 

[Spindle]

Yes that's the reason 😂😂😂😂😂

Except they're not wrong. 🤦🏻‍♂️

History changes as we learn more. Otherwise paleontology wouldn't be a thing.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Clearly the formation years of other clubs is really going to piss you off when you go digging

It's 1861, that's it.

Can you elaborate? Or are you one of those fans who refuse to contradict the club or our dear leader?

 

[Penge Eagle]

History changes as we learn more. Otherwise paleontology wouldn't be a thing.

But we haven't learned anything. That's the point!

 

[Spindle]

For me the question is simple. Was there a club called Crystal Palace playing football between 1875 and 1905. If the answer is no then they are 2 separate clubs.

I don't care if someone says yeah but there was a holding company or the accounts say this....

It's about football.

1860 Muchen didn't kick a ball for 50 years, so stick that in your pipe.

 

[Spindle]

The historic proof is specious for 1861..

The FA refused to let us form as we played from the (then) national stadium.

And this is all the proof we need because we all know how the FA has always been against us. If it were a different club the FA would've helped out

 

[Spindle]

But we haven't learned anything. That's the point!

Speak for yourself.

 

[derfes]

But we haven't learned anything. That's the point!

but if we learn that we haven't learned anything, isn't that learning something? accordingly we have learned a thing and ergo the statement that we haven't learned anything is false.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Newton Heath was changed to Manchester United in 1902, having been founded in 1878*. They maintain that the club was founded in 1878, so why shouldn't we use 1861, after all that organisation actually had the same name as the current Crystal Palace?

(* N.B. Manchester United officially changed their name to ManUre in 1990). 🤣

Their historians might be as efficient as their economic advisers.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

The Building, we are named after, moved to our manor in 1852. Just saying..........

But if you wanted to be pedantic, and stick with its original geography, then we are the Hyde Park Eagles. There's Not much freedom of speech on the corners around there. Hyde Park sound no less geographically ridiculous than the Woolwich Arsenal.

Our claim to 1861 is about as tenable as Henry vii's claim to the throne. Tenuous or tenable ? you decide. But there is not much other rival club to be having it.