Save your hate for Liverpool …

[Fanofzhiyi]

Glasner could well have said he'd be unlikely to play much. That's not Steve's decision. We can buy who we like but Glasner has to select them for the team. It's the one trait of Glasner's that bothers me. His unwillingness to give Esse/ Rak-Sakyi etc any chances. I always think you don't really know how players are until a few run-outs.

I agree with this, he is incredibly risk averse and for the most part it is a huge success, but it exhausts the first 11.
He gave Kamada time as he knows him. JRS I feel as shown a lack of effort even out on loan, he can frustrate as he has undoubted quality, feels a bit like Edouard.
For Esse we do not see what happens behind the scenes but he looks low, really needs some love from the coaches and chances from the manager.
At a bigger club with a higher quality squad Glasner could have no limits to the success he can gain

 

[OneStevePerrin]

I also wonder if the medical for the Brighton player didn’t go as well as expected which is why he then went to westham? I’m fairly sure if a replacement had come in Guehi would have gone. Liverpool left it too late for us to get anyone in. Perhaps making the offer a week earlier would have made it happen? Liverpool or someone else will get him next window for less or for free next summer and we will have lost out on 30 million. Hopefully keeping him gives us a higher league finish and cup runs making some of that money back?

 

[Palacesince64]

Glasner could well have said he'd be unlikely to play much. That's not Steve's decision. We can buy who we like but Glasner has to select them for the team. It's the one trait of Glasner's that bothers me. His unwillingness to give Esse/ Rak-Sakyi etc any chances. I always think you don't really know how players are until a few run-outs.

I agree it’s a concern but perhaps related to the pressure of the Premier League. Roy was the same. With Wharton and Sarr injured it’s possible Esse might get game time, if not in the league, then perhaps in the League cup. Glasner likes working with players to make them better so we can but hope he knows what he’s doing with Esse.

 

[beak]

I already suffer from Coprophobia. NSFW.

 

[Malcolm Al]

Save your hate for Liverpool

I think Steve nailed it . Please read everything before you hit reply .

Ok , palace , small fry , have two champion players who most people believe are happy to leave the club this window .

Eze and Geuhi . Palace make it obvious that for the right price they are willing to sanction their sale .

Eze for 68 and Geuhi for 40 ( only 1 year left and previous offers for 65-70 ). 40 ? Probably not unreasonable given the situation .

Given that Arsenal were happy to effectively meet Eze’s valuation , let’s assume Steve knows what he’s asking is close .

Palace make it pretty clear that they’re happy for Marc to leave on two conditions . Asking price met and Palace have time to get an adequate replacement .

Assume the same condition applies for Eze .

Glasner had also made it clear he wanted an early sale .

Every one knows that until a contract is signed , it can fall over . If you don’t know that you , well you should . We’ve seen that play out all the time including several times with palace .

So what do arsenal do . They come in with a realistic offer with plenty of time for palace to arrange a replacement . Palace accept the offer knowing now they have the money and time to get a suitable replacement . Leicester play hard ball , up their price , Palace can’t afford to over pay so they walk away from a player who really wanted to come , but it is a business and if you pay an inflated price this time then next time you have to negotiate a deal the club knows you’ll pay what they want .

Palace end up with Pino ( better player , cheaper price ) Eze and Arsenal get what they want and everyone’s happy .

Liverpool were you watching ….

Liverpool who spent over 400 mill now want to negotiate a deal to gain what is just over 1 % of their total spend while gaining one of the best CB’s in the EPL .

Liverpool know he wants to come , so what do Liverpool do ? Well Palace can’t force them to make an offer but they have clearly stated their two requirements

For all of those who say we should have anticipated this and should have acted earlier …
Maybe palace could go and buy a ready made replacement , but that’s not a player they need unless Marc leaves …..

If they do go out and buy a ready made replacement , Liverpool have palace over a barrel . They know Palace now have to sell . Does that make any sense at all from a business view point. Nup .

So what do Liverpool do ? they wait until the very last minute . Palace already replacements in mind , but as everyone ( including Liverpool ) knows , a deal can fall over at any time …

Two condition for the sale . Price and replacement . Price accepted but the replacement falls over , so Palace do what they’ve ALWAYS said they will do and pull the plug .

If Parish had gone ahead, he would have possibly lost his manager , alienated 80 % of the fans and also shown the big boys that you can push him around . Again he’s putting palace’s future first .

There are reasons for everything he does , you may not always agree with him ,

but ,

I always come away with the opinion he ends up making the right decision in most situations.

The villains in this are Liverpool .

They could have made a deal a month ago which would have made everyone happy , but they wanted to make sure they “ won “ the negotiation rather than having a win / win which would have had everyone ….. including the pundits , happy

There we go again looking for others to hate and blame for our mistakes; first it was Forest and UEFA for our shambolic administration and now it's Liverpool for using tactics that every club uses to sign the players they want at the best possible price. If Palace don't use business tactics in their transfer activities then more fool us...

 

[Mystic Smeg]

It's Parish and the board making all these f*** ups not Liverpool, Forest or anyone else. Fancy making a leaving video of old clips before a player's even left FFS

 

[Spindle]

But why did SP accept the offer so late in the window, when it was obviously too late to find a suitable replacement?

This is the part I don't get, he could and should have told Liverpool to piss off, and none of this drama would still be playing out in the press.

Because he lined up a replacement.

 

[Spindle]

Great OP well said.

Sticking anything to the entitled self pitying victim dippers is wonderful. Marc staying a season will help our season, worth the money. Hope VVD starts having "senior moments" costing them points and PSG or Real Madrid come sniffing. LiVARpool will s*** the bed and fork out then in January. c****

 

[rikz]

It was Parish fault, not Liverpool.
When talks were first happening, it was widely reported we wanted 40 million and Liverpool wouldn't go higher than 35, if Parish was so desperate for the money he could have negotiated the deal we ended up accepting on deadline day or he could have stuck to his guns and told Liverpool, 40 million and we wouldn't be accepting any bids after a certain date, giving us enough time to find a replacement. The clubs made their position clear to Liverpool, Glasner and Guehi.

What you dont do is then publicly come out and announce we're not in a position to lose a player of that calibre on a free, you're just inviting Liverpool to place a late bid.

 

[Runningman]

The only team I truly passionately hate is Liverpool!
I don’t really care about Brighton or Millwall or even Charlton. I see them a rivals, that makes match day a little bit more spicy. No more no less.
Now Liverpool is a completely different story. Their own arrogance drives me mad. I honestly think that they believe they invented football, and have this divine right to be at the top, win everything and do whatever they want.
In the 80s and 90s everyone supported Liverpool, in a similar way everyone supported Man U in the 2000s, and we took some beatings. I remember the days after the 9-0 thumping and it was tortuous!
Then my true hatred kicked in when we were denied European football for the first time. How dare Palace get into Europe ahead of Liverpool. So the authorities changed their minds about Liverpools extended ban and let them back in, and denying us. I believe this set our club back decades as not long after that, the team broke up and we were back to the second tier.

The authorities changed the rules again when Liverpool failed to qualify for the champions league the year after they won it. So what happens, they change the rules so that the winners automatically qualify.
I don’t even want to get started about their fans, as this would read like war and peace. Let’s just say that I love nothing more than putting one on them and the semi final in 90 and the charity shield was a joyous occasion, along with the numerous times we have ruined their party!

My Mrs always waits for me ‘to go into one’ about the 1990’s Liverpool European situation, whenever the scousers are mentioned. I’ll never forget until my dying day ! 😂😡

 

[silvertop]

I do not like the thread title. I have no hate for that club and team or city, just the glory hunter fans who exist in pestilent profusion in these parts (I do not include Mrs. Silvertop who was born and raised there!).

I do agree that fault for the MG saga lies to a significant degree at their door.

Newcastle bungled their approach by putting in pointless low ball offers for a player who has expressed no desire to go there and with time on his contract. We named his price. They failed to match it or even come close. He stayed. The Geordies were not happy with the Newcastle management for that.

Liverpool were watching that whole panto play out from stage left. By this summer he had become a player in huge demand with little left on his contract and an openly expressed desire to go to Liverpool. It was a slam dunk for a club that had seen how not to do it with this club and this player. And yet...

They come in with low ball offers very late in the window knowing we had said in discussions and to the whole world that it had to be a good price and we had to have a replacement.

We did our part. We agreed their first proper offer subject to a mere £5m add-ones (back of the sofa stuff for them) and even lined up a turd on loan as stand in till we got someone good, thereby risking both performance and the loyalty of our manager.

But they would not budge on the £5m; and the replacement collapsed through standard last day shenanigans.

Liverpool took the risk and it failed.

For them.

Laying the blame for this at our management door in this summer and without a sporting director is beyond harsh.

PS edited for a PS
I hope PSG or Real scoop up MG in January! That would make me laugh.

 

[beak]

I do not like the thread title. I have no hate for that club and team or city, just the glory hunter fans who exist in pestilent profusion in these parts (I do not include Mrs. Silvertop who was born and raised there!).

I do agree that fault for the MG sage lies to a significant degree at their door.

Newcastle bungled their approach by putting in pointless low ball offers for a player who has expressed no desire to go there and with time on his contract. We named his price. They failed to match it or even come close. He stayed. The Geordies were not happy with the Newcastle management for that.

Liverpool were watching that whole panto play out from stage left. By this summer he had become a player in huge demand with little left on his contract sand an openly expressed desire to go to Liverpool. It was a slam dunk for a club that had seen how not to do it with this club and this player. And yet...

They come in with low ball offers very late in the window knowing we had said in discussions and to the whole world that it had to be a good price and we had to have a replacement.

We did our part. We agreed their first proper offer subject to a mere £5m add-ones (back of the sofa stuff for them) and even lined up a turd on loan as stand in till we got someone good, thereby risking both performance and the loyalty of our manager.

But they would not budge on the £5m and the replacement collapsed through standard last day shenanigans.

Liverpool took the risk and it failed.

For them.

Laying the blame for this at our management door in this summer and without a sporting director is beyond harsh.

We are operating in a world where the bully is admired and the small guy gets sand kicked in their face,we are widely seen as the culprits,wrong but as advertising execs would tell you perception is everything.

 

[MrRobbo]

It was Parish fault, not Liverpool.
When talks were first happening, it was widely reported we wanted 40 million and Liverpool wouldn't go higher than 35, if Parish was so desperate for the money he could have negotiated the deal we ended up accepting on deadline day or he could have stuck to his guns and told Liverpool, 40 million and we wouldn't be accepting any bids after a certain date, giving us enough time to find a replacement. The clubs made their position clear to Liverpool, Glasner and Guehi.

What you dont do is then publicly come out and announce we're not in a position to lose a player of that calibre on a free, you're just inviting Liverpool to place a late bid.

Irks a little given that Liverpool broke the transfer record twice in the same window however.

I do agree on setting a date and sticking to it. Might not have made them bid earlier, but would have avoided a lot of the mess

 

[Malcolm Al]

Great OP well said.

Sticking anything to the entitled self pitying victim dippers is wonderful. Marc staying a season will help our season, worth the money. Hope VVD starts having "senior moments" costing them points and PSG or Real Madrid come sniffing. LiVARpool will s*** the bed and fork out then in January. c****

Unless we've f*cked it up and Marc is so p1ssed-off with how we handled it and not getting the move he wanted that his forms falls off a cliff. I know what it's like to work for a company that have shafted me... I definitely don't give 100%, maybe 55% at best...

 

[see_change]

But why did SP accept the offer so late in the window, when it was obviously too late to find a suitable replacement?

This is the part I don't get, he could and should have told Liverpool to piss off, and none of this drama would still be playing out in the press.

He couldn’t accept it earlier in the window because it wasn’t made …

He accepted it because they had had the offer accepted for Julio , but that hadn’t been signed and that’s when Westham Gazumped us ..

 

[silvertop]

I agree with this, he is incredibly risk averse and for the most part it is a huge success, but it exhausts the first 11.
He gave Kamada time as he knows him. JRS I feel as shown a lack of effort even out on loan, he can frustrate as he has undoubted quality, feels a bit like Edouard.
For Esse we do not see what happens behind the scenes but he looks low, really needs some love from the coaches and chances from the manager.
At a bigger club with a higher quality squad Glasner could have no limits to the success he can gain

He has admitted (perhaps by way of disguised comment on squad depth) that Wharton's injury was his fault as he needed to rotate more.

 

[silvertop]

Irks a little given that Liverpool broke the transfer record twice in the same window however.

I do agree on setting a date and sticking to it. Might not have made them bid earlier, but would have avoided a lot of the mess

You cant set a date when the buyer has the whip hand. "Deadline" passes, discussions continue without improved offer and we just look silly.

 

[Spindle]

It was Parish fault, not Liverpool.
When talks were first happening, it was widely reported we wanted 40 million and Liverpool wouldn't go higher than 35, if Parish was so desperate for the money he could have negotiated the deal we ended up accepting on deadline day or he could have stuck to his guns and told Liverpool, 40 million and we wouldn't be accepting any bids after a certain date, giving us enough time to find a replacement. The clubs made their position clear to Liverpool, Glasner and Guehi.

What you dont do is then publicly come out and announce we're not in a position to lose a player of that calibre on a free, you're just inviting Liverpool to place a late bid.

Complete verbal dogshit

 

[Putitout]

Glasner could well have said he'd be unlikely to play much. That's not Steve's decision. We can buy who we like but Glasner has to select them for the team. It's the one trait of Glasner's that bothers me. His unwillingness to give Esse/ Rak-Sakyi etc any chances. I always think you don't really know how players are until a few run-outs.

It’s only another opinion but it would not surprise me if the truth was Glasner , just didnt want Julio. And it suited his position on Guehi, to make that very clear to everyone involved, by saying to the player he would not play. We could have done with another central defender because with our fixture list they would get used.

 

[rikz]

Because he lined up a replacement.

He obviously didn't otherwise the deal would have gone through