Save your hate for Liverpool …

[DenTyler]

I just don't see Palace so low in the pecking order. Liverpool simply hatched a plan to try and get him for a poultry fee but made a cock-up and the media have gone barny, which is eggsactly as you'd expect,

Liverpool were not looking out for our hire welfare and gave themselves free range to take the piss. Made my blood boiled. The way they tried to poach our star defender. Still it all ended sunny side up for now.

😁 I’m here all week… try the fish

 

[silvertop]

Diomande was going for about £45m, Liverpool weren't the only ones interested in MG, we knew he wasn't renewing his contract, and we were never going to get less than £30m for him, and hindsight doesn't come into it, the situation had been developing for many months, up to a year.

Exactly so why did they wait till the last minute knowing our condition of needing a like replacement?

 

[Spindle]

Has anybody stopped to consider that maybe this Diomonde fella might not have wanted to come to us? In the same way Guehi snubbed Newcastle.

 

[EagleinSF]

Has anybody stopped to consider that maybe this Diomonde fella might not have wanted to come to us? In the same way Guehi snubbed Newcastle.

You've got to be kidding. Who in their right mind would turn down the delights of Croydon High street, or Thorton Heath - they even have a pond!

 

[Fisted from the Box]

“Liverpool who spent over 400 mill now want to negotiate a deal to gain what is just over 1 % of their total spend while gaining one of the best CB’s in the EPL.”

Your maths is off, but otherwise it’s a fairly accurate aguessment.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Save your hate for Liverpool

I think Steve nailed it . Please read everything before you hit reply .

Ok , palace , small fry , have two champion players who most people believe are happy to leave the club this window .

Eze and Geuhi . Palace make it obvious that for the right price they are willing to sanction their sale .

Eze for 68 and Geuhi for 40 ( only 1 year left and previous offers for 65-70 ). 40 ? Probably not unreasonable given the situation .

Given that Arsenal were happy to effectively meet Eze’s valuation , let’s assume Steve knows what he’s asking is close .

Palace make it pretty clear that they’re happy for Marc to leave on two conditions . Asking price met and Palace have time to get an adequate replacement .

Assume the same condition applies for Eze .

Glasner had also made it clear he wanted an early sale .

Every one knows that until a contract is signed , it can fall over . If you don’t know that you , well you should . We’ve seen that play out all the time including several times with palace .

So what do arsenal do . They come in with a realistic offer with plenty of time for palace to arrange a replacement . Palace accept the offer knowing now they have the money and time to get a suitable replacement . Leicester play hard ball , up their price , Palace can’t afford to over pay so they walk away from a player who really wanted to come , but it is a business and if you pay an inflated price this time then next time you have to negotiate a deal the club knows you’ll pay what they want .

Palace end up with Pino ( better player , cheaper price ) Eze and Arsenal get what they want and everyone’s happy .

Liverpool were you watching ….

Liverpool who spent over 400 mill now want to negotiate a deal to gain what is just over 1 % of their total spend while gaining one of the best CB’s in the EPL .

Liverpool know he wants to come , so what do Liverpool do ? Well Palace can’t force them to make an offer but they have clearly stated their two requirements

For all of those who say we should have anticipated this and should have acted earlier …
Maybe palace could go and buy a ready made replacement , but that’s not a player they need unless Marc leaves …..

If they do go out and buy a ready made replacement , Liverpool have palace over a barrel . They know Palace now have to sell . Does that make any sense at all from a business view point. Nup .

So what do Liverpool do ? they wait until the very last minute . Palace already replacements in mind , but as everyone ( including Liverpool ) knows , a deal can fall over at any time …

Two condition for the sale . Price and replacement . Price accepted but the replacement falls over , so Palace do what they’ve ALWAYS said they will do and pull the plug .

If Parish had gone ahead, he would have possibly lost his manager , alienated 80 % of the fans and also shown the big boys that you can push him around . Again he’s putting palace’s future first .

There are reasons for everything he does , you may not always agree with him ,

but ,

I always come away with the opinion he ends up making the right decision in most situations.

The villains in this are Liverpool .

They could have made a deal a month ago which would have made everyone happy , but they wanted to make sure they “ won “ the negotiation rather than having a win / win which would have had everyone ….. including the pundits , happy

I’m in broad agreement with this however an important point that you’ve glossed over very swiftly is the fact we needed a replacement centre half regardless of whether Guehi was leaving as with Riad seemingly a permanently injured player, Chalobah being returned half way through his loan, Ward retiring and Holding never featuring we were down to just Richards, Lacroix and Guehi to play in 3 positions which is ludicrously short cover wise. In fact our cover is an aging right back in Clyne and a midfielder who can put in a decent shift at CH in Lerma.

Everyone knew this, it wasn’t information out the blue and no doubt Glasner had already had numerous discussions with Parish about both Guehi and the shortage of CH cover that we have.

So, in the knowledge that Guehi will have almost certainly told both Glasner and Parish that he wasn’t going to sign a new contract the club needed to make a decision over whether to keep Guehi for his last year and let him run his contract out, or sell him for £35/£40m (for the purposes of this let’s ignore whether or not that is the correct value). So in reality this meant we needed either two new centre half’s or 1 depending upon our strategy.

Clearly, Glasner wanted to keep Guehi and at worst wanted to replace him with a like for like experienced player. Parish, for obvious reasons was seeing the financial downside of losing Guehi on a free if we didn’t sell him and clearly was pushing for a Guehi sale.

All of these issues were known well before the transfer window opened, so you would hope that Glasner would have previously given a list of CHs to Parish and said, we need one of these to replace Marc and presumably a list of young up and coming CHs (Janvot perhaps included) to make up the second signing which we would need anyway.

Losing a £35/£40m transfer fee regardless of whether that is a true reflection of Guehi’s value is not something that Palace can afford to do so surely the number one priority would have been to get a decent CH through the door before Guehi’s sale is done and dusted and before we decide to buy the extra CH (Janvot).

From a finance point of view we already knew more or less what sort of fee we were getting in for Guehi so there was no real brinkmanship in solving our own CH issue prior to releasing Guehi. There was also no shortage of CHs in the market place. A brief look at transfers shows Sunderland got in 3 centre backs, Bournemouth 2, Brighton 2, Leeds 2, West Ham 2, Villa 2, Wolves 2 and virtually every team signed at least one.

So, if Parish wanted a decent fee in for Guehi then why didn’t he get out there in the market place like every other team and get one.

So in short I think Parish is not blameless in all this. I think it’s poor financial management to kick the Guehi can down the road in the knowledge we are going to have to replace him with far less money in the bank either in January or July.

Yes it’s great we’ve still got him temporarily but the decision to not get our ducks in a row will inevitably mean that Guehi’s long term replacement will probably end up being either a mid price (£10/£15m) player, along with the hope that Riad and Janvot will come good.

I personally think it’s not been dealt with at all well by the club but I can see why others have a different view.

 

[park the bus]

I’m in broad agreement with this however an important point that you’ve glossed over very swiftly is the fact we needed a replacement centre half regardless of whether Guehi was leaving as with Riad seemingly a permanently injured player, Chalobah being returned half way through his loan, Ward retiring and Holding never featuring we were down to just Richards, Lacroix and Guehi to play in 3 positions which is ludicrously short cover wise. In fact our cover is an aging right back in Clyne and a midfielder who can put in a decent shift at CH in Lerma.

Everyone knew this, it wasn’t information out the blue and no doubt Glasner had already had numerous discussions with Parish about both Guehi and the shortage of CH cover that we have.

So, in the knowledge that Guehi will have almost certainly told both Glasner and Parish that he wasn’t going to sign a new contract the club needed to make a decision over whether to keep Guehi for his last year and let him run his contract out, or sell him for £35/£40m (for the purposes of this let’s ignore whether or not that is the correct value). So in reality this meant we needed either two new centre half’s or 1 depending upon our strategy.

Clearly, Glasner wanted to keep Guehi and at worst wanted to replace him with a like for like experienced player. Parish, for obvious reasons was seeing the financial downside of losing Guehi on a free if we didn’t sell him and clearly was pushing for a Guehi sale.

All of these issues were known well before the transfer window opened, so you would hope that Glasner would have previously given a list of CHs to Parish and said, we need one of these to replace Marc and presumably a list of young up and coming CHs (Janvot perhaps included) to make up the second signing which we would need anyway.

Losing a £35/£40m transfer fee regardless of whether that is a true reflection of Guehi’s value is not something that Palace can afford to do so surely the number one priority would have been to get a decent CH through the door before Guehi’s sale is done and dusted and before we decide to buy the extra CH (Janvot).

From a finance point of view we already knew more or less what sort of fee we were getting in for Guehi so there was no real brinkmanship in solving our own CH issue prior to releasing Guehi. There was also no shortage of CHs in the market place. A brief look at transfers shows Sunderland got in 3 centre backs, Bournemouth 2, Brighton 2, Leeds 2, West Ham 2, Villa 2, Wolves 2 and virtually every team signed at least one.

So, if Parish wanted a decent fee in for Guehi then why didn’t he get out there in the market place like every other team and get one.

So in short I think Parish is not blameless in all this. I think it’s poor financial management to kick the Guehi can down the road in the knowledge we are going to have to replace him with far less money in the bank either in January or July.

Yes it’s great we’ve still got him temporarily but the decision to not get our ducks in a row will inevitably mean that Guehi’s long term replacement will probably end up being either a mid price (£10/£15m) player, along with the hope that Riad and Janvot will come good.

I personally think it’s not been dealt with at all well by the club but I can see why others have a different view.

Perhaps Parish thinks that Riad will get fit sooner rather than later, as he must have thought about the other sick notes that the club has a habit of investing in.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Perhaps Parish thinks that Riad will get fit sooner rather than later, as he must have thought about the other sick notes that the club has a habit of investing in.

We’ve certainly had a few for sure, Wickham, Ferguson, Franca and now Riad and I’m sure there is a few more I’ve forgotten about.

It would be a damn shame if he doesn’t make it back. I read good things about Riad before he joined us, so let’s hope that his injury is not a career defining one. The player insurance companies must do a runner when they see Parish going in to get the annual policy sorted.