Restore Britain.

[DanH]

So you've had to sully yourself voting for Lib Dems all this time.

All while your real love is achingly out of reach.

Must kinda suck.

Don’t really have much time for any of the main parties, never really have.

Vote more out of some sort of deluded sense of moral duty than anything.

 

[silvertop]

People said the same about Reform.

I actually have sympathy for new parties that reject the corruption and compromising that the mainstream gets cloaked in.

I can see them doing well......Blairism may be ingrained at the elite level but it's lost a massive amount of popularity at grass roots level on both left and right.

Even this far out I can't see how Labour can win the next election.....the economics won't let them and they don't have anyone with the charisma to combat that.

They would do better going back to Corbyn politically.

That would make it much easier to not vote for them.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That would make it much easier to not vote for them.

Yeah, but you're more the centre left Blair use to talk about....even though his name has become a dirty word on both left and right.

The grass of Labour is much nearer to Corbyn than Starmer and even though we are closer politically than I could be to a progressive, it's also true that I think parties should reflect their bases rather than their current donor base.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So we've had Reform, Reclaim and now Restore...

The right-wing branding guys have got to work a bit harder surely!

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That would make it much easier to not vote for them.

Corbyn won a larger vote share than Starmer, despite Starmer having an open goal of an election.

You'd think that would be food for thought for the Labour party and indeed the electorate, but apparently it's not.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So we've had Reform, Reclaim and now Restore...

The right-wing branding guys have got to work a bit harder surely!

It's all just the punch and judy show and fun for the activist base like me.....and let's not forget Restore aren't a political party looking for votes but a policy pressure movement on the right.

Maybe it'll be what Corbyn ends up doing as well.....Corbyn and Lowe seem to respect each other much in the same way Foot and Powell did so maybe Corbyn will end up with a movement rather than a party as well....though I think there is more pressure on him to start a party, even though its destructive to Starmer's Labour.....but the Corbynites would be thinking more long term and about policy possibly after Starmer's reign.....Similar to how Lowe is thinking of what comes after Farage.

Sometimes political opposites can get on better than a politically close 'Brown' and 'Blair' situation because of personality clashes. For politics Corbyn and Lowe are both quite honest and earnest people.

However, unless something out of the ordinary happens, Reform are on track to win for much the same reason Labour won.....Things are going badly (which economically is very likely to contine) and people will think it's time for a change and Farage represents that. The normies will feel it's his time.

Labour can't turn it around, they just aren't capable of dealing with the very real and extremley deep seated problems.....mainly because they are intrinsically the same people as those in the civil service and treasury...who run the country much more than the classic normie believes. You can't get radical change from neoliberals because all their policies essentially have to go through several layers of acceptence....EU, banks, city....The system that brought us here isn't going to be the turkey that votes for Christmas.

Don't get me wrong....I don't think Farage will be able to do much either....mostly mouth and trousers and he'll be more a talking shop than change anything radically.....I imagine he'll just be happy to have reached the top of the mountain....probably won't even stick around for his full term.

But I do think they win in 29.....and I'll enjoy the punch and judy stuff.....plus it'll be nice to at least see the back of the DEI and progressive stuff for a while.

But the real stuff doesn't start until the system collapses proper.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Corbyn won a larger vote share than Starmer, despite Starmer having an open goal of an election.

You'd think that would be food for thought for the Labour party and indeed the electorate, but apparently it's not.

Politicians never willingly give up power to those they don't like.

The right and left of the Labour party dislike each other just as much as the right and left of the...well both Tory and Reform....In fact in the Labour party it seems a little worse.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's all just the punch and judy show and fun for the activist base like me.....and let's not forget Restore aren't a political party looking for votes but a policy pressure movement on the right.

Maybe it'll be what Corbyn ends up doing as well.....Corbyn and Lowe seem to respect each other much in the same way Foot and Powell did so maybe Corbyn will end up with a movement rather than a party as well....though I think there is more pressure on him to start a party, even though its destructive to Starmer's Labour.....but the Corbynites would be thinking more long term and about policy possibly after Starmer's reign.....Similar to how Lowe is thinking of what comes after Farage.

Sometimes political opposites can get on better than a politically close 'Brown' and 'Blair' situation because of personality clashes. For politics Corbyn and Lowe are both quite honest and earnest people.

However, unless something out of the ordinary happens, Reform are on track to win for much the same reason Labour won.....Things are going badly (which economically is very likely to contine) and people will think it's time for a change and Farage represents that. The normies will feel it's his time.

Labour can't turn it around, they just aren't capable of dealing with the very real and extremley deep seated problems.....mainly because they are intrinsically the same people as those in the civil service and treasury...who run the country much more than the classic normie believes. You can't get radical change from neoliberals because all their policies essentially have to go through several layers of acceptence....EU, banks, city....The system that brought us here isn't going to be the turkey that votes for Christmas.

Don't get me wrong....I don't think Farage will be able to do much either....mostly mouth and trousers and he'll be more a talking shop than change anything radically.....I imagine he'll just be happy to have reached the top of the mountain....probably won't even stick around for his full term.

But I do think they win in 29.....and I'll enjoy the punch and judy stuff.....plus it'll be nice to at least see the back of the DEI and progressive stuff for a while.

But the real stuff doesn't start until the system collapses proper.

Broadly agree - Labour are finished already, and I can't see the Tories winning enough people back round by the next GE. Both lack the ideas or desire to do anything radically different, and I think at this stage most people want radically different.

I agree with you on Farage - I think he's more interested in the journey than the destination.

 

[beak]

The trouble with new political parties is that they attract grifters. Parliament
already have too many on the make.