Reform

[cryrst]

I want politicians that promise only what they can deliver, that set realistic and sensible targets not a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.Reform's policies are built on sand.

They don’t have access to the books but in councils they are seeing wastage on a massive scale. This upscaled is going to be very similar to the big book at hmg.
The tube drivers want a 10% reduction in working hours and a pay rise. That’s khants issue but I’m sure if he had the dough he would give them what they want. The state doesn’t generate any profit so has to cut its cloth to give everyone a fair outcome. It appears that isn’t the case.

 

[georgenorman]

They don’t have access to the books but in councils they are seeing wastage on a massive scale. This upscaled is going to be very similar to the big book at hmg.
The tube drivers want a 10% reduction in working hours and a pay rise. That’s khants issue but I’m sure if he had the dough he would give them what they want. The state doesn’t generate any profit so has to cut its cloth to give everyone a fair outcome. It appears that isn’t the case.

The RMT are a f'ing disgrace.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I want politicians that promise only what they can deliver, that set realistic and sensible targets not a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.Reform's policies are built on sand.

I want politicians that promise to deliver what we need and not what we want. The latter being both the essence of populism and the reason we are in such a mess.

I want politicians to look us in the eye and be honest. I want them to lead and tell us that what we need will not be popular, that it will hurt in the short to medium run but that if we are to survive and prosper it’s necessary.

Only a truly charismatic leader could possibly achieve that and, regrettably, I don’t see one. We are hog tied by the very system that preserves our freedoms and prevents dictatorships.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This is politics with a nation's well-being and prospects at stake affecting millions.Reform are a party that is flitting from one populist headline to another with no deep-down analysis of the problems and underlying causes.A complete lack of expertise might be the reason.

Doesn't matter.

Both the Tories and Labour had their chance.

Reform are going to get the nod if only because they aren't the uniparty......Well....We will wait and see.

Regardless, the Tory track record on lying is so massive that they deserve to be where they are.

I don't want the Tories rewarded for what they have done to this country.

If they want to prove they have changed let them put in Rupert Lowe as leader......It would never happen.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I want politicians that promise to deliver what we need and not what we want. The latter being both the essence of populism and the reason we are in such a mess.

I want politicians to look us in the eye and be honest. I want them to lead and tell us that what we need will not be popular, that it will hurt in the short to medium run but that if we are to survive and prosper it’s necessary.

Only a truly charismatic leader could possibly achieve that and, regrettably, I don’t see one. We are hog tied by the very system that preserves our freedoms and prevents dictatorships.

Absolute tosh. It’s the opposite.

 

[Willo]

Doesn't matter.

Both the Tories and Labour had their chance.

Reform are going to get the nod if only because they aren't the uniparty......Well....We will wait and see.

Regardless, the Tory track record on lying is so massive that they deserve to be where they are.

I don't want the Tories rewarded for what they have done to this country.

If they want to prove they have changed let them put in Rupert Lowe as leader......It would never happen.

I hear all this Labour mantra "14 years of Tory rule". We were that awful that we kept getting elected into power !!.
Whilst we made mistakes we had to cope with a global pandemic and the energy crisis on account of Russia's of Ukraine.We know how,why and where there were issues but we have experience of government, we know how the 'engines' of power operate, we are aware of the problems and pitfalls. Frankly,Reform do not have a clue.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I hear all this Labour mantra "14 years of Tory rule". We were that awful that we kept getting elected into power !!.
Whilst we made mistakes we had to cope with a global pandemic and the energy crisis on account of Russia's of Ukraine.We know how,why and where there were issues but we have experience of government, we know how the 'engines' of power operate, we are aware of the problems and pitfalls. Frankly,Reform do not have a clue.

So, only those with experience of governing should be the government…personally I’d cull the lot, save the country a fortune and restore direct rule by the monarchy. It’s effectively serfdom whether we are ruled by the government or the monarch; might as well save ourselves some money in the process.

 

[Willo]

So, only those with experience of governing should be the government…personally I’d cull the lot, save the country a fortune and restore direct rule by the monarchy. It’s effectively serfdom whether we are ruled by the government or the monarch; might as well save ourselves some money in the process.

I am merely stating a fact and Reform have stated that their sheer dearth of Governmental experience is one of their biggest weaknesses. They have already displayed a few outside of Government !!!

I am meeting with my Conservative chums today, accordingly I will have no opportunity to continue this debate on HOL. Hooray I hear the multitudes !
Finally, "Vote Reform at your peril" 👎 👎 👎

 

[Badger11]

So, only those with experience of governing should be the government…personally I’d cull the lot, save the country a fortune and restore direct rule by the monarchy. It’s effectively serfdom whether we are ruled by the government or the monarch; might as well save ourselves some money in the process.

Both Labour and Tories have vast experience in failure.

 

[Stirlingsays]

AA on the economic state of the country.

We are basically fecked.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I hear all this Labour mantra "14 years of Tory rule". We were that awful that we kept getting elected into power !!.
Whilst we made mistakes we had to cope with a global pandemic and the energy crisis on account of Russia's of Ukraine.We know how,why and where there were issues but we have experience of government, we know how the 'engines' of power operate, we are aware of the problems and pitfalls. Frankly,Reform do not have a clue.

Making terrible decisions on both, just following group think....borrowed 400 billion on covid (which took us from 85 percent to 100 percent debt on GDP) and have done nothing but spend (actually borrow to lend out) and escalate in a foreign war....the escalation of which has given us the highest energy prices in Europe.

You present this as if these weren't choices, when they were choices.

Your Tory party just didn't have the balls to go against the social liberals and left who also wanted all this. The Tories censored opposition to both topics.

Because most of the Tory party and their leadership are social liberals themselves.....social liberals who just want a nice stable house price.

 

[NMPalace]

I hear all this Labour mantra "14 years of Tory rule". We were that awful that we kept getting elected into power !!.
Whilst we made mistakes we had to cope with a global pandemic and the energy crisis on account of Russia's of Ukraine.We know how,why and where there were issues but we have experience of government, we know how the 'engines' of power operate, we are aware of the problems and pitfalls. Frankly,Reform do not have a clue.

Didn't know you were a Tory MP.

Strange how the global financial crisis of 2008 was blamed entirely on Labour for the first 5 years of the Tory government.

I agree Reform will be a disaster but they are getting so much coverage (compare this with say the Greens who have the same number of MPs) there is something inevitable coming as long as Farage can survive the Rayner style stamp duty under payment - although his appears more deliberate.
The fact that so few media outlets are running with it shows the support he has. A bit like the beer gate 'scandal' when Boris called in a few favours to deflect attention away from his many covid violations

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Didn't know you were a Tory MP.

Strange how the global financial crisis of 2008 was blamed entirely on Labour for the first 5 years of the Tory government.

I agree Reform will be a disaster but they are getting so much coverage (compare this with say the Greens who have the same number of MPs) there is something inevitable coming as long as Farage can survive the Rayner style stamp duty under payment - although his appears more deliberate.
The fact that so few media outlets are running with it shows the support he has. A bit like the beer gate 'scandal' when Boris called in a few favours to deflect attention away from his many covid violations

Farage’s and Rayners are deliberate. Difference is Farage’s is legal and Rayners isn’t, plus she lied throughout the whole week before each detail The Telegraph revealed. They had it all, released bit by bit as she lied and it became more and more uncomfortable, embarrassing, illegal and hypocritical. If Farage hasn’t lied and anything he’s accused of is legal then nothing is going to happen.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Absolute tosh. It’s the opposite.

You would say that though. You always do.

Promising people what is obviously undeliverable is just pandering to selfishness and ignorance. It only benefits those who can make a quick profit out of the resulting mess. Not the country.

I wish I knew a quick solution but I don’t. I only know that making ever more unachievable promises will inevitably lead to ever more unhappiness.

We need to be honest with ourselves. Our time in the driving seat of world affairs disappeared 80 years ago. We behave as though we still hold influence but in reality we are now primarily a market for others.

Farage is not the sole guilty party, but he is a culpable and significant contributor. Brexit was more than enough. The idea of him leading our country is beyond the pale. It must be avoided. Then we need to rebuild our place within our true and traditional home. Which is as an integral and important part of Europe. Not for me. I am too old to ever witness the benefits, but for my children and grandchildren. And yours!

 

[Rudi Hedman]

You would say that though. You always do.

Promising people what is obviously undeliverable is just pandering to selfishness and ignorance. It only benefits those who can make a quick profit out of the resulting mess. Not the country.

I wish I knew a quick solution but I don’t. I only know that making ever more unachievable promises will inevitably lead to ever more unhappiness.

We need to be honest with ourselves. Our time in the driving seat of world affairs disappeared 80 years ago. We behave as though we still hold influence but in reality we are now primarily a market for others.

Farage is not the sole guilty party, but he is a culpable and significant contributor. Brexit was more than enough. The idea of him leading our country is beyond the pale. It must be avoided. Then we need to rebuild our place within our true and traditional home. Which is as an integral and important part of Europe. Not for me. I am too old to ever witness the benefits, but for my children and grandchildren. And yours!

You need to be honest with yourself. A load of cr@p. We can make a lot of our own decisions. And anyway, you complain when influential USA makes policies you don’t like and then you complain when our country you see as having little influence might make decisions you don’t like. Well they’re hopefully going to happen so you can suck it up in your Cornish bubble.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I am merely stating a fact and Reform have stated that their sheer dearth of Governmental experience is one of their biggest weaknesses. They have already displayed a few outside of Government !!!

I am meeting with my Conservative chums today, accordingly I will have no opportunity to continue this debate on HOL. Hooray I hear the multitudes !
Finally, "Vote Reform at your peril" 👎 👎 👎

I expect they will have quite a few more careers minded Tories joining them before 2029 so they will have some more experience of what not to do.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Didn't know you were a Tory MP.

Strange how the global financial crisis of 2008 was blamed entirely on Labour for the first 5 years of the Tory government.

I agree Reform will be a disaster but they are getting so much coverage (compare this with say the Greens who have the same number of MPs) there is something inevitable coming as long as Farage can survive the Rayner style stamp duty under payment - although his appears more deliberate.
The fact that so few media outlets are running with it shows the support he has. A bit like the beer gate 'scandal' when Boris called in a few favours to deflect attention away from his many covid violations

If you think that's the reason why thy are polling so well, you are even dumber than I thought.

Most coverage on the main channels is negative. What a shock!

If you want to know why they will win the next election, open your eyes more often.

 

[georgenorman]

You would say that though. You always do.

Promising people what is obviously undeliverable is just pandering to selfishness and ignorance. It only benefits those who can make a quick profit out of the resulting mess. Not the country.

I wish I knew a quick solution but I don’t. I only know that making ever more unachievable promises will inevitably lead to ever more unhappiness.

We need to be honest with ourselves. Our time in the driving seat of world affairs disappeared 80 years ago. We behave as though we still hold influence but in reality we are now primarily a market for others.

Farage is not the sole guilty party, but he is a culpable and significant contributor. Brexit was more than enough. The idea of him leading our country is beyond the pale. It must be avoided. Then we need to rebuild our place within our true and traditional home. Which is as an integral and important part of Europe. Not for me. I am too old to ever witness the benefits, but for my children and grandchildren. And yours!

The likes of four-homes of Cornwall have been telling us for ages how progressive things are and it's all going to be wonderful and that immigration is enhancing and that we should enjoy it all. Now, suddenly, they seem to think there are problems and no quick solutions and they don't know what should be done. As for him saying "We need to be honest with ourselves", I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You need to be honest with yourself. A load of cr@p. We can make a lot of our own decisions. And anyway, you complain when influential USA makes policies you don’t like and then you complain when our country you see as having little influence might make decisions you don’t like. Well they’re hopefully going to happen so you can suck it up in your Cornish bubble.

When the USA determines that anyone so obviously unsuited to be their President as Trump is you bet I will talk about it! It shows just how unfit for purpose their system of governance has become. Something being confirmed every day by Trump’s bizarre behaviour and the lack of action to stop it from Congress.

Farage is nothing close to being as bad. He isn’t a wanna be dictator, with gangster tendencies, with a total lack of empathy and compassion and with no economic understanding at all.

He is though a populist who tells lies to make promises to gullible people. In that regard he is like Trump.

Ultimately the result will be the same. A bigger mess than either inherited.

 

[cryrst]

When the USA determines that anyone so obviously unsuited to be their President as Trump is you bet I will talk about it! It shows just how unfit for purpose their system of governance has become. Something being confirmed every day by Trump’s bizarre behaviour and the lack of action to stop it from Congress.

Farage is nothing close to being as bad. He isn’t a wanna be dictator, with gangster tendencies, with a total lack of empathy and compassion and with no economic understanding at all.

He is though a populist who tells lies to make promises to gullible people. In that regard he is like Trump.

Ultimately the result will be the same. A bigger mess than either inherited.

Tells lies and makes promises. Sounds like 2TK not the leader of reform!